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I've just checked through the code in V1.5 which Fiachra and I are both using, which is the same code as you have just posted. It looks like everything is based on inv_volts_local and not the ISA Shunt. This is the code I'm using (only changes I have made are the numbers as I'm using a 48s pack for testing)
I know this is going to be something obvious we're doing wrong so thanks for baring with us.

james@N52E01 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 7:00 pm I'm using a 48s pack for testing

What pack voltage do you measure with a multimeter?

196v when the inverter is fully charged.

Similar to James

I have just amended the HV values for the pack I am using. Multimeter measured it comes in at 209V. Following the logic, if T15 is receiving 12v (switched IGN) but Precharge is not enabled, OUT3 and OUT1 will be set to HIGH if inv_volts_local is <180, in my case.

I can see what Damien is getting at, needing to know the HV values to get the VCU to activate OP1 to 3 but, how without the Shunt or having the inverter powered on first?
I did try removing the if(inv_volts_local<180) from the steps by adding // before it, thinking it might remove this step, therefore just setting OP1 and OP3 to HIGH but nothing.

Cookie6000 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:30 pm I can see what Damien is getting at, needing to know the HV values to get the VCU to activate OP1 to 3 but, how without the Shunt or having the inverter powered on first?

I don't know anything about the detailed operation of the inverter but agree this does sound odd. What happens if you enable the inverter by driving OUT3 high when the key is on (i.e. without any dependence on the inverter messages)?

Powering the Leaf inverter independently (normally driven by OP3) in tandem with powering the VCU results in no precharge 12v signal being generated. I'll play around with the code again later this eve to see if there is any way to cheat OP 1, 2 and 3 into action to get to understand it a bit more.

Cookie6000 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:36 pm Powering the Leaf inverter independently (normally driven by OP3) in tandem with powering the VCU results in no precharge 12v signal being generated. I'll play around with the code again later this eve to see if there is any way to cheat OP 1, 2 and 3 into action to get to understand it a bit more.

Suggest you also enable the serial.print so that you can see the inverter messages.

Any difference in hardware between the inverters you, James, and Damien use?

I Don’t think so, we’re all using Gen 1 I think. Going to tinker with the code just to see if I can get an output working Manually from OP1, 2 and 3 through on a simple timed program, not rigged up to the HV though.

james@N52E01 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:03 pm I Don’t think so, we’re all using Gen 1 I think.

Yup. Same as

Cookie6000 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:14 pm

james@N52E01 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:03 pm I Don’t think so, we’re all using Gen 1 I think.

Yup. Same as

ok, cool... i'd add some print statements to the code to see what values the inverter is reading and what path you're taking through the code.

james@N52E01 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:14 am So far not getting any output from either pin.

On which side of the NCV8401 driver are you measuring the output? The 3.3V logic side or the 12V load side? If the 12V load side then you need the contactor coil connected to 12V before you'll see any voltage with a multimeter.

Cookie6000 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:30 pm Similar to James

What are you doing with OUT3 exactly? Are you using it to power the inverter somehow?

Do you have a schematic showing how you've wired up the VCU, Inverter, Contactors, etc?

Here you go Kevin.
If you remember, I am using the Prius pack complete with precharge/main contactors and resistor. Gnd still goes to the 12v battery as it was during testing before moving to V1.5 of the firmware. The Pch and Main now go to OP 1 and 2 respectively.

I checked with James, and he also has his wired up his board pretty much similar and independently from mine, aside from him using Pin 1 instead of Pin 6 for his ground on the inverter vcu connector.

Edit: Previous image had CAN H and L flipped. Thanks JaniK for spotting;)

Cookie6000 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:56 pm Here you go Kevin.

Thanks, I think I see the problem...

You are using OUT3 as if it's a switched 12V power supply for the inverter. However, OUT3 does *not* supply 12V it's a switched ground (see circuit below). My guess is you should power the inverter with 12V from your ignition switch and ignore OUT3.

Also note that unlike your drawing the inverter has three 12V pins according to this document;

http://productions.8dromeda.net/c55-lea ... tocol.html

You also have a similar issue with OUT1 and OUT2 driving your contactors. You should connect the contactors to 12V and the OUT1/OUT2 pins. The ground is switched by the NCV8401A devices;

https://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/NCV8401-D.PDF

Let me know if this makes no sense

Edit: how are you controlling the negative contactor?

That's brilliant Kevin, thanks for that detail!

All makes sense. That was my thought that the OP pins might not be supplying 12v, especially as I drew the schematic out. Ignoring OP3 is something I tried earlier in fact as you suggested. I connected the switched Inv 12v to the IGN but obviously, nothing else happened. The next step so is to just get the contactors to 12v as well as OP1 and 2.
On the neg contactor, ignore my diagram I left a bit out on the neg side.

Will switching the Inverter via the ignition and ignoring OP3 mean amending the code at all, removing it from the start sequence?

Cookie6000 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:00 pm Will switching the Inverter via the ignition and ignoring OP3 mean amending the code at all, removing it from the start sequence?

I would need to crawl through the code in detail to understand whether OUT3 is intended to be used (with an external relay) or is just for legacy/future functionality. That's a lot of work and for now I'd just get the contactors sorted and ignore OUT3 in the software.

If rewiring doesn't resolve the issues then add the print statements so that you can see what the software is doing. This is a standard debug technique... shout if you don't understand

Edit: It's a very long time since I've used the Arduino development environment but this is the reference on the Serial.println() function;

https://www.arduino.cc/reference/en/lan ... l/println/

Thanks Kevin
Appreciate the guidance here. Have a look at the latest rev and see if it makes sense. I think I have the inverter relay I added wrong. Should the gnd side I have in there actually be to 12v as do the contactors as the VCU controls switched ground?
Edit: CAN H and L flipped here in this image too, just so you know.

Cookie6000 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:44 am I think I have the inverter relay I added wrong. Should the gnd side I have in there actually be to 12v as do the contactors as the VCU controls switched ground?

You are correct, the inverter power relay should be connected to the 12V not ground. One word of caution, I do not know whether this feature is used by Damien in the current software so this may not work.

We also need to check in the software whether the OP1 used to drive the precharge and negative contactors is active during operation or just precharge. Just try it and see what happens (I recommend you use a bulb or heater element current limiter for the HV when testing contactor operations).

In the future we need to add a kill switch and impact switch to your 12V circuit. We can address that once your system is working

Thanks a mill Kevin
That was second thought 're neg contactor during operation after precharge. I'll try the set up later and report back

Brilliant!
Success All connected up as in the schematic except I have the inverter switched 12v powered via the ign instead of OP3 and relay. Flick the switch, double click of Precharge and Neg contactors. Approx 1-2 seconds later, main contactor closes. Press pedal, and away the motor spins.
The question you had about OP1 and negative contactor during operation looks to stay closed. It does raise the question of the precharge contactor though and if it releases again or remains closed or does it matter.
Not receiving any Pack Voltage, Current or Power, just RPM and the motor and inverter temps but that should all be sorted hopefully when I get the ISA shunt in. But that's for another day
Thanks again Kevin. Has helped to get another bit further down the line for my own build as well as James' project Figleaf

Cookie6000 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:48 pm Brilliant!
Success

That's good news

Cookie6000 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:48 pm All connected up as in the schematic except I have the inverter switched 12v powered via the ign instead of OP3 and relay.

I suspect Damien is not using the OP3 output. When he's less busy i'll ask him.

Cookie6000 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:48 pm The question you had about OP1 and negative contactor during operation looks to stay closed. It does raise the question of the precharge contactor though and if it releases again or remains closed or does it matter.

It's not unusual to drive both the Negative and Precharge contactors with the same control signal. The precharge resistor is irrelevant once the Positive contactor switches.

Cookie6000 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:48 pm Not receiving any Pack Voltage, Current or Power, just RPM and the motor and inverter temps but that should all be sorted hopefully when I get the ISA shunt in. But that's for another day

That's to be expected from the software;

Serial2.print("v");//dc bus voltage
Serial2.print(Sensor.Voltage);//voltage derived from ISA shunt
Serial2.print(",i");//dc current
Serial2.print(Sensor.Amperes);//current derived from ISA shunt
Serial2.print(",p");//total motor power
Serial2.print(Sensor.KW);//Power value derived from ISA Shunt
Serial2.print(",m");//motor rpm
Serial2.print(inverter_status.speed);
Serial2.print(",o");//motor temp
Serial2.print(inverter_status.motor_temperature);
Serial2.print(",r");//inverter temp
Serial2.print(inverter_status.inverter_temperature);
Serial2.print("*");// end of data indicator

Cookie6000 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:48 pm Thanks again Kevin. Has helped to get another bit further down the line for my own build as well as James' project Figleaf

No problem, well done for sticking with it... all I ask is that in future you and James update the wiki so that people can help themselves

Kevin Sharpe wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:11 pm No problem, well done for sticking with it... all I ask is that in future you and James update the wiki so that people can help themselves

I've started a wiki page for the VCU and ISA Shunt

https://openinverter.org/wiki/Nissan_Leaf_VCU

https://openinverter.org/wiki/Isabellen ... te_Heusler

Great.
I have a lot of info noted down I just need to collate together in legible form and can submit it then for future reference

Cookie6000 wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:25 pm Great.
I have a lot of info noted down I just need to collate together in legible form and can submit it then for future reference

Cool! If I get a moment i'll draw up a schematic for the VCU/Inverter/Contactors

Kevin Sharpe wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:11 pm It's not unusual to drive both the Negative and Precharge contactors with the same control signal.

On reflection I think it's more likely that Damien intends the negative contactor to be switched by the ignition switch (which is how I think James has it wired).