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2024-12-20T16:55:25Z

2024-06-09T19:33:07Z

Adding some more notes on the 0x423 message

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 For the BMS to send out can frame a message on 0x423 needs to be sent.
-When driving the contents of the 0x423 message is
+Using logs found here: https://github.com/rand12345/Zoe-PH1-EV-CAN-data
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 |0x07
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 |0xD8
 |}
-When charging the contents of 0x423 is
+for 5 messages then
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 |0x0B
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 |0x02
 |0xB2
-|0x20
+|0x80
 |0xB2
 |0xD9
 |}
-And When rapid charging the contents of 0x423 is
+for 5 messages then
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 |0x07
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 |0xC7
 |}
-I've not yet tested what affect these different messages have, if any.
+for 5 messages then the 0x5D and 0xB2 switch places
 ==== ISO-TP ====
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 https://github.com/jamiejones85/Kangoo36_canDecode

2024-02-19T09:37:10Z

Adding some more details and link to DBC and application to decode ISO-TP

← Older revision		Revision as of 09:37, 19 February 2024
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	==== BMS ====		==== BMS ====
			Photos of the wiring below show the correct connection orientation for the BMS and the cell taps to the modules.
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			\|+
			\|[[File:PXL 20220624 072610756.jpg\|none\|thumb]]
			\|[[File:PXL 20220624 072540901.jpg\|none\|thumb]]
			\|[[File:PXL 20220624 072941220.jpg\|none\|thumb]]
			\|}
			I've started putting together a DBC file, but this only covers the standard CAN frames.

			DBC file: https://github.com/jamiejones85/DBC-files/blob/master/Kangoo.dbc


			For the BMS to send out can frame a message on 0x423 needs to be sent.

			When driving the contents of the 0x423 message is
			{\| class="wikitable"
			\|0x07
			\|0x1D
			\|0x00
			\|0x02
			\|0x5D
			\|0x80
			\|0x5D
			\|0xD8
			\|}
			When charging the contents of 0x423 is
			{\| class="wikitable"
			\|0x0B
			\|0x1D
			\|0x00
			\|0x02
			\|0xB2
			\|0x20
			\|0xB2
			\|0xD9
			\|}
			And When rapid charging the contents of 0x423 is
			{\| class="wikitable"
			\|0x07
			\|0x1E
			\|0x00
			\|0x01
			\|0x5D
			\|0x20
			\|0xB2
			\|0xC7
			\|}
			I've not yet tested what affect these different messages have, if any.

			==== ISO-TP ====
			To get the individual cell voltages and some other information, ISO TP requests are required. I've written some code that'll decode these. Will be extending to run on an ESP32 to make the ISO-TP requests and decode.

			https://github.com/jamiejones85/Kangoo36_canDecode

2024-02-01T09:36:21Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 09:36, 1 February 2024
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	The phase 2 Renault Kangoo 36kWh pack consists of 12 modules, roughly 16kg 14x21x31 cm each. The usable capacity is apparently 33kWh. It uses a centralised BMS, like the Nissan Leaf, as opposed to a distributed BMS with each module having it's own satellite board. So care must be taken to ensure the cell tap plugs are connected in to the modules in the correct order or the BMS may be damaged. '''Also note the cell taps will have potentially high voltage across them.'''		The phase 2 Renault Kangoo 36kWh pack consists of 12 modules, roughly 16kg 14x21x31 cm each in a 2P8S configuration. The usable capacity is apparently 33kWh. It uses a centralised BMS, like the Nissan Leaf, as opposed to a distributed BMS with each module having it's own satellite board. So care must be taken to ensure the cell tap plugs are connected in to the modules in the correct order or the BMS may be damaged. '''Also note the cell taps will have potentially high voltage across them.'''

	==== Contactor Box ====		==== Contactor Box ====

2024-02-01T09:18:25Z

Adding extra details

← Older revision		Revision as of 09:18, 1 February 2024
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	The phase 2 Renault Kangoo 36kWh pack consists of 12 modules, roughly 16kg 14x21x31 cm each. The usable capacity is apparently 33kWh.		The phase 2 Renault Kangoo 36kWh pack consists of 12 modules, roughly 16kg 14x21x31 cm each. The usable capacity is apparently 33kWh. It uses a centralised BMS, like the Nissan Leaf, as opposed to a distributed BMS with each module having it's own satellite board. So care must be taken to ensure the cell tap plugs are connected in to the modules in the correct order or the BMS may be damaged. '''Also note the cell taps will have potentially high voltage across them.'''

			==== Contactor Box ====
			The pack doesn't have a negative contactor, the only way to isolate it is to pull the service disconnect. In the contactor box there's a current sensor, pre-charge resistor, pre-charge relay, main contactor and a 275a 1000V fuse.

			The main contactor is 150a rated.
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			\|+
			\|[[File:Kangoo Contactor box.jpg\|none\|thumb]]Contactor box
			\|[[File:Kangoo Disconnect.jpg\|none\|thumb]]Manual Service Disconnect socket
			\|[[File:Kangoo Midpack Fuse.jpg\|none\|thumb]]Mid Pack Fuse
			\|}

	There are 2 external Low voltage Connectors
			There are 2 external Low voltage Connectors for the battery pack.

	===== Grey Yazaki x =====		===== Grey Yazaki x =====
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	\|Pre-charge relay (ground to close)		\|Pre-charge relay (ground to close)
	\|}		\|}

			==== BMS ====

2024-02-01T09:07:00Z

Adding low voltage pin out

← Older revision		Revision as of 09:07, 1 February 2024
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	The phase 2 Renault Kangoo 36kWh pack consists of 12 modules, roughly 16kg 14x21x31 cm each. The usable capacity is apparently 33kWh.		The phase 2 Renault Kangoo 36kWh pack consists of 12 modules, roughly 16kg 14x21x31 cm each. The usable capacity is apparently 33kWh.


			There are 2 external Low voltage Connectors

			===== Grey Yazaki x =====
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			\|+
			!Pin
			!Internal Wire
			!Function
			\|-
			\|1
			\|Black
			\|12v BMS supply via 10a fuse
			\|-
			\|2
			\|x
			\|
			\|-
			\|3
			\|x
			\|
			\|-
			\|4
			\|x
			\|
			\|-
			\|5
			\|x
			\|
			\|-
			\|6
			\|Yellow
			\|Can High
			\|-
			\|7
			\|White
			\|12v Contactor supply via 15a fuse
			\|-
			\|8
			\|x
			\|
			\|-
			\|9
			\|x
			\|
			\|-
			\|10
			\|x
			\|
			\|-
			\|11
			\|x
			\|
			\|-
			\|12
			\|Blue
			\|Can Low
			\|}

			====== Black Yazaki 7283-8854-30 ======
			{\| class="wikitable"
			\|+
			!Pin
			!Internal Wire
			!Function
			\|-
			\|1
			\|Black
			\|Ground
			\|-
			\|2
			\|x
			\|
			\|-
			\|3
			\|Green
			\|Main Contactor (ground to close)
			\|-
			\|4
			\|x
			\|
			\|-
			\|5
			\|Blue
			\|Pre-charge relay (ground to close)
			\|}

2024-01-31T19:39:05Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 19:39, 31 January 2024
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			The phase 2 Renault Kangoo 36kWh pack consists of 12 modules, roughly 16kg 14x21x31 cm each. The usable capacity is apparently 33kWh.

2024-01-31T19:34:11Z

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← Older revision		Revision as of 16:55, 20 December 2024
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	The phase 2 Renault Kangoo 36kWh pack consists of 12 modules, roughly 16kg 14x21x31 cm each in a 2P8S configuration. The usable capacity is apparently 33kWh. It uses a centralised BMS, like the Nissan Leaf, as opposed to a distributed BMS with each module having it's own satellite board. So care must be taken to ensure the cell tap plugs are connected in to the modules in the correct order or the BMS may be damaged. '''Also note the cell taps will have potentially high voltage across them.'''		The phase 2 Renault Kangoo 36kWh pack consists of 12 modules, roughly 16kg 14x21x31 cm each in a 2P8S configuration. The usable capacity is apparently 33kWh. It uses a centralised BMS, like the Nissan Leaf, as opposed to a distributed BMS with each module having it's own satellite board. So care must be taken to ensure the cell tap plugs are connected in to the modules in the correct order or the BMS may be damaged. '''Also note the cell taps will have potentially high voltage across them.'''

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	I've been able to query the battery with DDT4All using an ELM usb dongle.		I've been able to query the battery with DDT4All using an ELM usb dongle.
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