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=== | ==Gearbox== | ||
Inside the gearbox is pretty simple, there's a parking brake and some gears. The clutch requires some oil pressure before it can be electrically engaged, ideally we want to be able to do this at 0 rpm to be able the achieve maximum torque at launch. | |||
[[File:Outlander Front Clutch.jpg|thumb|The internal clutch that couples the 'generator' input to the half shaft outputs.|alt=]] | |||
[[File:20220616 153133.jpg|thumb|Outlander front gearbox.|alt=]] | |||
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==The 'generator'== | |||
It looks like this is the motor that is sold by SLEVB as https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/70kw-ev-motor-with-14000rpm.html | It looks like this is the motor that is sold by SLEVB as https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/70kw-ev-motor-with-14000rpm.html | ||
Interestingly they claim it as | Interestingly they claim it as 70kW, where as the motor as 60kW, both weigh the same. | ||
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|'''Weight''' | |'''Weight''' | ||
|29.5kg | | 29.5kg | ||
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|'''Type''' | |'''Type''' | ||
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|'''Suggested Firmware''' | |'''Suggested Firmware''' | ||
|Use Field Orientated Control (FOC) firmware | |Use Field Orientated Control (FOC) firmware | ||
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|'''Resolver Pole Count''' | |'''Resolver Pole Count''' | ||
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|'''Temperature Sensors''' | |'''Temperature Sensors''' | ||
|This has 2 temperature sensors on 2 of the phase coils and also an oil temperature sensor. | |This has 2 temperature sensors on 2 of the phase coils and also an oil temperature sensor. | ||
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|'''Ld''' | |||
|0.1mH (used in the FOC firmware, Lq - Ld is a parameter) | |||
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|'''Lq''' | |||
|0.3mH (used in the FOC firmware, Lq - Ld is a parameter) | |||
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|'''Flux Linkage''' | |||
|(used in the FOC firmware, is a parameter) | |||
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|'''Critical Current''' | |||
|(used in the FOC firmware, is a parameter) | |||
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==== Connector B-139 ==== | |||
[[File:6-pin-outlander-phev-motor-connector.png|frameless|505x505px]] | [[File:6-pin-outlander-phev-motor-connector.png|frameless|505x505px]] | ||
* Pin 11 GTH1 - temperature in the U-phase coil (+ve) | *Pin 11 GTH1 - temperature in the U-phase coil (+ve) | ||
* Pin 12: GTH2 - temperature in the W-phase coil (+ve) | *Pin 12: GTH2 - temperature in the W-phase coil (+ve) | ||
* Pin 13: TH0 - oil temperature thermistor (+ve) | *Pin 13: TH0 - oil temperature thermistor (+ve) | ||
* Pin 14: GTG1 - temperature in the U-phase coil (-ve) | *Pin 14: GTG1 - temperature in the U-phase coil (-ve) | ||
* Pin 15: GTG2 - temperature in the W-phase coil (-ve) | *Pin 15: GTG2 - temperature in the W-phase coil (-ve) | ||
* Pin 16: TG0 - oil temperature thermistor (-ve) | *Pin 16: TG0 - oil temperature thermistor (-ve) | ||
=== Connector B-140 === | |||
[[File:8-pin-outlander-phev-motor-connector.png|frameless|505x505px]] | [[File:8-pin-outlander-phev-motor-connector.png|frameless|505x505px]] | ||
* Pin 1: R1 - the first connection for the exciter coil. If you have the original connector this has a black wire. It should be connected to the exciter - EXC - on your control board. | *Pin 1: R1 - the first connection for the exciter coil. If you have the original connector this has a black wire. It should be connected to the exciter - EXC - on your control board. | ||
* Pin 2: S1 - the first connector for output coil 1. (Red on the original loom. Connect to ENCODER CHAN A on your control board) | *Pin 2: S1 - the first connector for output coil 1. (Red on the original loom. Connect to ENCODER CHAN A on your control board) | ||
* Pin 3: S2 - the first connector for output coil 2 (S2-1) (Yellow. Connect to ENCODER CHAN B) | *Pin 3: S2 - the first connector for output coil 2 (S2-1) (Yellow. Connect to ENCODER CHAN B) | ||
* Pin 4: R2 - the second connection for the exciter coil (White. Connect to GROUND) | *Pin 4: R2 - the second connection for the exciter coil (White. Connect to GROUND) | ||
* Pin 5: S3 - the second connection for output coil 1 (S1-2) (Green. Connect to RESOLVER SIN) | *Pin 5: S3 - the second connection for output coil 1 (S1-2) (Green. Connect to RESOLVER SIN) | ||
* Pin 6: S4 - the second connection for output coil 2 (S2-2) (Blue. Connect to RESOLVER COS) | *Pin 6: S4 - the second connection for output coil 2 (S2-2) (Blue. Connect to RESOLVER COS) | ||
* Pin 7: GGND - earth connection to the ECU | *Pin 7: GGND - earth connection to the ECU | ||
* Pin 8: Not used. | *Pin 8: Not used. | ||
Note: some after market plugs have the pin numberings reversed from the above. As I currently understand it, the numbering should be as per the diagram with pin 8 at the bottom right with the locking clip on the top when you are looking at the cable end of the plug. | Note: some after market plugs have the pin numberings reversed from the above. As I currently understand it, the numbering should be as per the diagram with pin 8 at the bottom right with the locking clip on the top when you are looking at the cable end of the plug. | ||
==The motor== | |||
It looks like this is the motor that is sold by SLEVB as https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/meiden-ev-motor-60kw-14000rpm-electric-project-emrax-replacement.html | It looks like this is the motor that is sold by SLEVB as https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/meiden-ev-motor-60kw-14000rpm-electric-project-emrax-replacement.html | ||
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|'''Weight''' | |'''Weight''' | ||
|29.5kg | |29.5kg | ||
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|'''Suggested Firmware''' | |'''Suggested Firmware''' | ||
|Use Field Orientated Control (FOC) firmware | |Use Field Orientated Control (FOC) firmware | ||
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|'''Resolver Pole Count''' | |'''Resolver Pole Count''' | ||
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=== Output Shafts === | ===Output Shafts=== | ||
The generator and motor have a 19mm output shaft with 17 splines. This is a very close fit for the Ford Fiesta clutch. Model number 8V21-7550-DE or G44BA. Another part number also fits HD2392 from Fiesta 77-92, Escort III | The generator and motor have a 19mm output shaft with 17 splines. This is a very close fit for the Ford Fiesta clutch. Model number 8V21-7550-DE or G44BA. Another part number also fits HD2392 from Fiesta 77-92, Escort III | ||
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==Build Logs using this motor== | |||
[https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=766 BMW Z3 with Prius gen 3 inverter mated to original gearbox] | |||
[https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1130 VW Beetle with Prius gen 3 inverter mated to original gearbox] | |||
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Latest revision as of 16:48, 20 December 2024
Gearbox
Inside the gearbox is pretty simple, there's a parking brake and some gears. The clutch requires some oil pressure before it can be electrically engaged, ideally we want to be able to do this at 0 rpm to be able the achieve maximum torque at launch.
| Parameter | |
|---|---|
| Weight | TBC |
| Motor - Differential ratio | 9.663 |
| Generator - Engine ratio | 2.736 |
| Engine - Differential ratio | 3.425 |
| Item | N·m |
|---|---|
| Drain plug | 35 ± 4 |
| Filler plug (the underside) | 32 ± 2 |
| Filler plug (the upper side) | 35 ± 4 |
| Break off bolt <Vehicles for England> | 7.5 ± 1.5 |
| Electrical parking actuator mounting bolts | 28 ± 4 |
| Valve body assembly mounting bolts | 9.0 ± 2.0 |
| Plug(Valve body) | 7.0 ± 1.0 |
| Connector mounting bolts | 7.0 ± 1.0 |
The 'generator'
It looks like this is the motor that is sold by SLEVB as https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/70kw-ev-motor-with-14000rpm.html
Interestingly they claim it as 70kW, where as the motor as 60kW, both weigh the same.
| Weight | 29.5kg |
| Type | Permanent Magnet Synchronous |
| Max RPM | 14k (According to SLEVB) |
| Power | 70Kw (According to SLEVB) but I suspect it's the same as the motor based on them weighing the same. |
| Manufacturer | Meiden |
| Manufacturer Part | |
| Suggested Firmware | Use Field Orientated Control (FOC) firmware |
| Resolver Pole Count | 8 (4 Pole Pairs) based on the assumption that it's the same as the motor below. |
| Resolver Part number | C88691 / TS2239N484E102 (Tamagawa E102 series) |
| Looks to be a custom VR Type Resolver https://www.tamagawa-seiki.com/products/resolver-synchro/vr-type-resolver-singlsyn.html | |
| Motor Pole Count | 8 (4 Pole pairs) |
| Temperature Sensors | This has 2 temperature sensors on 2 of the phase coils and also an oil temperature sensor. |
| Ld | 0.1mH (used in the FOC firmware, Lq - Ld is a parameter) |
| Lq | 0.3mH (used in the FOC firmware, Lq - Ld is a parameter) |
| Flux Linkage | (used in the FOC firmware, is a parameter) |
| Critical Current | (used in the FOC firmware, is a parameter) |
Connector B-139
- Pin 11 GTH1 - temperature in the U-phase coil (+ve)
- Pin 12: GTH2 - temperature in the W-phase coil (+ve)
- Pin 13: TH0 - oil temperature thermistor (+ve)
- Pin 14: GTG1 - temperature in the U-phase coil (-ve)
- Pin 15: GTG2 - temperature in the W-phase coil (-ve)
- Pin 16: TG0 - oil temperature thermistor (-ve)
Connector B-140
- Pin 1: R1 - the first connection for the exciter coil. If you have the original connector this has a black wire. It should be connected to the exciter - EXC - on your control board.
- Pin 2: S1 - the first connector for output coil 1. (Red on the original loom. Connect to ENCODER CHAN A on your control board)
- Pin 3: S2 - the first connector for output coil 2 (S2-1) (Yellow. Connect to ENCODER CHAN B)
- Pin 4: R2 - the second connection for the exciter coil (White. Connect to GROUND)
- Pin 5: S3 - the second connection for output coil 1 (S1-2) (Green. Connect to RESOLVER SIN)
- Pin 6: S4 - the second connection for output coil 2 (S2-2) (Blue. Connect to RESOLVER COS)
- Pin 7: GGND - earth connection to the ECU
- Pin 8: Not used.
Note: some after market plugs have the pin numberings reversed from the above. As I currently understand it, the numbering should be as per the diagram with pin 8 at the bottom right with the locking clip on the top when you are looking at the cable end of the plug.
The motor
It looks like this is the motor that is sold by SLEVB as https://www.secondlife-evbatteries.com/meiden-ev-motor-60kw-14000rpm-electric-project-emrax-replacement.html
| Weight | 29.5kg |
| Type | Permanent Magnet Synchronous |
| Max RPM | 14k (According to SLEVB) |
| Power | 60Kw (According to SLEVB) |
| Manufacturer | Meiden |
| Manufacturer Part | S61 |
| Suggested Firmware | Use Field Orientated Control (FOC) firmware |
| Resolver Pole Count | 4 Pole Pairs based on the photo below, the shaft having 4 lobes. |
| Resolver Part number | C88691 / TS2239N484E102 (Tamagawa E102 series) |
| Looks to be a custom VR Type Resolver https://www.tamagawa-seiki.com/products/resolver-synchro/vr-type-resolver-singlsyn.html | |
| Tamagawa will not release the datasheet for this unit. "Unfortunately, this is an exclusive model for our authorized customer.
We are not able to provide technical data directly to you." | |
| Motor Pole Count | 8 (4 Pole pairs) |
| Temperature Sensor | This only have the 2 phase coil sensors and is lacking the oil temperature sensor. |
Output Shafts
The generator and motor have a 19mm output shaft with 17 splines. This is a very close fit for the Ford Fiesta clutch. Model number 8V21-7550-DE or G44BA. Another part number also fits HD2392 from Fiesta 77-92, Escort III
User @bexander points to https://aftermarket.zf.com/go/en/sachs/catalogs/#/ which shows that this fitting is common to a wide range of Ford and Mazda part numbers.
FORD
1518195, 1529952, 1576249, 1678827, 1708209, 1804545, 1805271, 1826509, 1852056, 2115219, 2245763, 8V21-7540-DA, 8V21-7540-DB, 8V21-7540-DC, 8V21-7540-DD, 8V21-7540-DE, 8V21-7540-DF, 8V21-7540-DG, 8V21-7540-FA, 8V21-7550-DE, 8V21-7563-DD, RM8V21-7540-DF, RM8V21-7540-DG, RM8V21-7540-FA
MAZDA
Y604-16-490, Y604-16-490A, Y604-16-490B, Y604-16-490C, Y604-16-490D, Y604-16-490E
Build Logs using this motor
BMW Z3 with Prius gen 3 inverter mated to original gearbox
VW Beetle with Prius gen 3 inverter mated to original gearbox