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== MEB Chargers ==
There's a generational difference between the 1-2 phase PHEV chargers, and the newer MLBevo type used on the Audi E-Tron, E-Tron GT & Porsche Taycan


There are many different variants of MQB and MEB chargers with a wide range of potential power outputs.
== Difference between MLBevo/MQB vs. MEB Chargers ==
MEB has different AC connector and therefore also different chargeport. Possibly not compatible with all the information here. The E-Tron chargers have several things which make them a bit different, one major being the LIN LED module and Door actuator, as well as only having a Hybrid CAN connection (No Drive CAN).
 
== MLBevo/MQB Chargers Overview ==
 
There are many different variants of MQB and MLBevo chargers with a wide range of potential power outputs.
 
'''These charges are not recommended if you are looking for a known working solution.'''
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Taredown can be purchased [https://www.reverse-costing.com/teardowns/kostal_hv_onboard_battery_charger_for_audi_etron/ here]
Taredown can be purchased [https://www.reverse-costing.com/teardowns/kostal_hv_onboard_battery_charger_for_audi_etron/ here]
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5QE915684BG
 
5QE915684BK
 
5QE915684CB
 
5QE915684CR
|OBCTYPP110G10V03
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|11kW
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Audi e-tron GT
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Taredown can be purchased [https://www.reverse-costing.com/teardowns/kostal_hv_onboard_battery_charger_for_audi_etron/ here]
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|60 pin plug [https://parts.vw.com/p/Volkswagen__/Housing/64431217/5Q0906379.html Part Number]: '''5Q0906379'''
Supersession(s): '''3C0906379; 5Q0-906-379'''
|Normaquick NW12
 
* '''Associated Part Numbers:''' 3B0122291B, V10 9858, V10-9858, V10-9858-INT, V10.9858, V109858
 
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Taredown can be purchased [https://www.reverse-costing.com/teardowns/kostal_hv_onboard_battery_charger_for_audi_etron/ here]
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Supersession(s): '''3C0906379; 5Q0-906-379'''
|Normaquick NW12
 
* '''Associated Part Numbers:''' 3B0122291B, V10 9858, V10-9858, V10-9858-INT, V10.9858, V109858
 
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Taredown can be purchased [https://www.reverse-costing.com/teardowns/kostal_hv_onboard_battery_charger_for_audi_etron/ here]
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Supersession(s): '''3C0906379; 5Q0-906-379'''
|Normaquick NW12
 
* '''Associated Part Numbers:''' 3B0122291B, V10 9858, V10-9858, V10-9858-INT, V10.9858, V109858
 
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Taredown available [https://www.reverse-costing.com/teardowns/meta%20system_onboard_charger_for_porsche_taycan/ here]
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|60 pin plug [https://parts.vw.com/p/Volkswagen__/Housing/64431217/5Q0906379.html Part Number]: '''5Q0906379'''
Supersession(s): '''3C0906379; 5Q0-906-379'''
|Normaquick NW12
* '''Associated Part Numbers:''' 3B0122291B, V10 9858, V10-9858, V10-9858-INT, V10.9858, V109858
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''1EA915684BG''
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Skoda Enyaq 2020
''Skoda Enyaq 2020''


VW ID.3 2020
''VW ID.3 2020''


VW ID.4 2021
''VW ID.4 2021''
|AC input side
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|480 x 313 x 102 mm
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|Flatter and thinner than most other chargers on this list. Coolant inlets and outlets are plastic, be careful of broken plastic.
|''Flatter and thinner than most other chargers on this list. Coolant inlets and outlets are plastic, be careful of broken plastic. '''Those are linkly not comptaible with all the information in the wiki.'''''
Made by [https://www.kostal-automobil-elektrik.com/en-gb/energy/power-electronics/ KOSTAL]
''Made by [https://www.kostal-automobil-elektrik.com/en-gb/energy/power-electronics/ KOSTAL]''


Taredown can be purchased [https://www.reverse-costing.com/teardowns/kostal_onboard_charger_for_vw_id3/ here]
''Taredown can be purchased [https://www.reverse-costing.com/teardowns/kostal_onboard_charger_for_vw_id3/ here]''
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==Pinouts==
==LV Connection==
Development thread: https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2607
Development thread: https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2607


Github Documentation: https://github.com/damienmaguire/VW-OnBoard-Charger
Github Documentation: https://github.com/damienmaguire/VW-OnBoard-Charger
VW part number 5Q0906379. The 60 pin signal connector is TE part number 2208272-1 .Pins are two sizes of TE pins 5-968221-1 and 1241608-6. Can be found also on Aliexpress as 60 Pin ECU connector.


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|+Pinouts of 60 Pin Connector (Part Number 5Q0906379<ref>From Forum Reference: https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=47620#p47620
|+Pinouts of 60 Pin Connector  
 
VW Parts Store:https://parts.vw.com/p/Volkswagen__/Housing/64431217/5Q0906379.html (Backup: [https://web.archive.org/web/20221103192811/https://parts.vw.com/p/Volkswagen__/Housing/64431217/5Q0906379.html Web Archive])</ref>)
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! colspan="2" |VW Golf PHEV
! colspan="2" |VW Golf PHEV
! colspan="2" |Seat Mii / VW e-Golf<ref>Forum Reference: https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=47686#p47686</ref>
! colspan="2" |Seat Mii / VW e-Golf<ref>Forum Reference: https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=47686#p47686</ref>
! colspan="2" |MLBevo (Audi Etron)<ref>https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=55623#p55623</ref>
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== AC Connection ==
==== Golf GTE and all 5QE915682 series 3.6 kW chargers - Part number TE Connectivity 2103177-2 ====
[[File:AC Input VW PHEV Charger.jpg|none|thumb]]
=== MLBevo ===
TE YHVA630-5phm-6mm-A and HV output coding A is 2141256-1
== HV Connection ==
It doesnt care what you connect to the HV wires. 360v, 12v, heating element, dead short. Its mission in life is pumping current. It just dumps out voltage even when it does not see any voltage present.
== Coding ==
MLBevo chargers seem to all use the EV_OBC3Phase1KLOMLBev16B config/odx. '''20103''' for the security code.
LIN Devices still show up within the DTC Memory, However no functional issues with them disconnected as long as the coding has them coded out. Similar errors exist for the door and other coded out options. Assumption is that the base software still has the DTC codes enabled for faults, however the selection is universal for the base charger option. (much like how most times you can code out a O2 sensor, but the DTC code will remain unless digging deeper into the ECU programming)
=== VCDS ===
You can open in the VCDS LCode.exe program [https://forums.ross-tech.com/index.php?threads/20117/page-7 (no purchase needed)] and it's a interactive way to determine the coding value required. Coding label file available [https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=55623#p55623 here]. Shouldn't be necessary for newer versions of VCDS. Working with a Hex_V2 Cable.
{| class="wikitable"
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!'''Bitfield 0'''
!'''Bitfield 1'''
!'''Bitfield 2'''
!'''Bitfield 3'''
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|CP standard - SAE/
vehicle category - Electric Vehicle / Hybrid
20kW charger
AC charging socket B
AC charging socket A
PLC charging socket B
PLC charging socket A
DC Charging - Chademo
|Country encoding (NAR/
HV activation auxiliary contactor
Charging socket resistor B
Charging socket resistor A
AWC installed - ''Wireless charging''
Number of AC chargers (One/Two)
|Mobile Online Services (MOD)
Sub-Grid operation
Charging cover lock (charging socket B)
Charging cover lock (charging socket A)
HV activation DC charging read back
Maximum charging current (63A)
|Charging cover lock detection (charging socket B)
Charging cover lock detection (charging socket A)
Plug lock DC charging socket
iWWT - ''Integrated water heat exchanger?''
Type of connector lock detection - Limit Switch
Plug lock (charging socket A)
Brand/Marque (VW/Audi/Porsche)
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|'''Bitfield 4'''
|'''Bitfield 5'''
|'''Bitfield 6'''
|'''Bitfield 7'''
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|Plug and Charge (PnC)
Power Line Communication
Settings Clear error memory
HV charge booster (400v->800v)
Charging button module
Second charging button
Local HV interlock
stimulus line installed
|Variant coding 11 kW (reserve)
Parking Heater
Kessy
Diagnostic resistor loading button
LED 4 (DC/Combo)
LEDs DC/Combo
LED 4 (AC)
|DC China socket installed
Installed DC combo box
Intelligent charging socket installed (LIN socket)
Installation status of DC charging socket B
Installation status of DC charging socket A
Two charger can B
Charging button module socket B
Diagnosis resistance charging button socket B
|Installation location DC charging socket
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=== ODIS ===
ODIS Engineering is a common tool that works with some of the simpler dongles e.g. a VAS6154 cable
=== PIWIS ===
== CAN-Messages ==
=== MLBevo TX Messages: ===
The CAN signals for MLBevo appear to be totally different than those for the rest of the charger line.
'''Required:'''
* BMS_01 - 0x191
* BMS_02 - 0x1A1
* BMS_03 - 0x39D
* BMS_04 - 0x5A2
* BMS_06 - 0x59E
* BMS_07 - 0x5CA
* BMS_09 - 0x96A955EB
* BMS_10 - 0x509
* BMS_11 - 0x96A954A6
* BMS_16 - 0x9A555539 - Just contains IDs for cells with low/high charge or temps
* BMS_27 - 0x9A555552
* BMS_DC_01 - 0x578 - Contains the HV DC Voltage for CCS
* ESP_15 - 0x1A2 - Holding Management System info
* Klemmen_Status_01 - 0x3C0 - Key status Run/Start, etc...
* DCDC_01 - 0x2AE - 12V DC converter - Just values related to electrical load
* HVK_01 - 0x503 - Items related to HV Contactor & JB
* HVEM_02 - 0x5AC - Useable Energy for Comfort Functions
* HVEM_05 - 0x552 - Fun items relating to Max Voltage and Plug Release
'''Signals I'm sending In addition:'''
* Airbag_01 - 0x40 - Monitors HV Deactivate status
* BCM1_04 - 0x64F - BCM Charge Status indication - Likely just confirmation feedback
* DCDC_03 - 0x5CD - 400v to 800v converter - Likely not required
* EM1_HYB_11 - 0x37C - Signal for E-Motor Status - Can be 0 for standby
* FCU_02 - 0x17B - Contains Tank Flap Release & Signal which may go High to signal ready for charging (EPB, Drive System Disabled)
* NavData_02 - 0x485- This along with Authentic_Time_01 contain a 32-bit epoch unix time, used for the charge time calculation.
* VIN_01 - 0x6B4 - Mux'd VIN# - Likely not required or just mimic the Donor Vin?
* ZV_01 - 0x184 - Signal to unlock via ZT - Maybe will unlock charge plug
* ZV_02 - 0x583 - Lock status, likely not required
'''Signals I haven't added:'''
* Dimmung_01 - 0x5F0
* Einheiten_01 - 0x643
* ESP_49 - 0x96A954AE - Contains Value for Regen reserve, Guessing that ESP will average typical SOC% to reserve to allow regen - Likely not required
* NVEM_02 - 0x663 - Contains Battery Voltage from Battery Data Module
* MSG_HYB_30 - 0x153 - Only seems to use the Counter & Checksum?
==== Narrowed down to: ====
10ms:
0x191
100ms:
0x3C0
0x503
0x1A1
=== <ins>MQB </ins>TX Messages: ===
Golf Phev charger from a CAN perspective are a total of 7 messages. One on PT CAN : 0x187 and 6 on Hybrid CAN : 0x097 , 0x124 , 0x3a6 , 0x3af , 0x6a3 and 0x6a4.
=== Reference Implementations: ===
{| class="wikitable"
|+
!Charger
!Code
!References
!Status
!Comment
|-
|Audi E-Tron Charger (11kW)
|
|<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1KUErQxx5M</ref>
|Proved working
|Mitchy
|-
|7.2kW Cayenne Phev charger 5QE 915 681 BQ
|Arduino<ref>https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=61370#p61370</ref>, ZombieVCU<ref>https://github.com/SomersetEV/Stm32-vcu/tree/Cayenne-Charger</ref>
|<ref>https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=61070#p61070</ref>
|Proved working
|LRBen
|-
|2021 Seat Mii part number : 5QE915681BP
Golf PHEV part number : 5QE915682AK
|Arduino
|
|Proved Working
|Damien
|}


== References ==
== References ==
<references />
<references />
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Latest revision as of 17:05, 20 December 2024

There's a generational difference between the 1-2 phase PHEV chargers, and the newer MLBevo type used on the Audi E-Tron, E-Tron GT & Porsche Taycan

Difference between MLBevo/MQB vs. MEB Chargers

MEB has different AC connector and therefore also different chargeport. Possibly not compatible with all the information here. The E-Tron chargers have several things which make them a bit different, one major being the LIN LED module and Door actuator, as well as only having a Hybrid CAN connection (No Drive CAN).

MLBevo/MQB Chargers Overview

There are many different variants of MQB and MLBevo chargers with a wide range of potential power outputs.

These charges are not recommended if you are looking for a known working solution.

Part Number Version Power Rating Phase Vehicle Usage Coolant Connections Dimensions Comments Reverse Engineered AC-Plug Connector Communication Plug Connector Coolant hose connector
5QE915685 3.6kW Single
5QE915685C OBCTYPP036G26V01 3.6kW Single SEAT/CUPRA Leon/Formentor Hybrid Bottom
5QE915682 3.6kW Single
5QE915682AA

5QE915682AF

04S, 13S 3.6kW Single VW Golf MK7 GTE

Audi A3 8V 2018-2020

Bottom Case not welded, 2 HV pass throughs
5QE915682AG 07S 3.6kW Single Audi A3 8V e-tron Bottom
5QE915682AK 03S 3.6kW Single VW Golf MK7 GTE Bottom Yes
5QE915682M OBC C0 3.6kW Single VW Passat Hybrid Bottom
5QE915681AT OBC 7200W 7.2kW Single Audi Q7 e-tron 4M GTE Bottom Case not welded
5QE915681BP OBCTypP072G30V02 7.2kW Dual VW e-Up!, SEAT Mii, SKODA Citigo-e iV, Arriba Left side Made by Delta, HV pass through
5QE915681BQ OBCTypP072G30V03 7.2kW Dual Porsche Cayenne Hybrid 2017-2021 Left side
5QE915681CQ OBCTypP072G30V03 7.2kW Dual Audi A8 PHEV 2022 Left side No HV pass through.
5QE915681B OBC 7200W 7.2kW Dual VW e-Golf 2017-2022 Bottom Case not welded
5QE915681D OBC 7200W 7.2kW Dual Audi Q5 PHEV 2020-2021 Right side Case not welded, no HV pass through
5QE915681N OBC 7200W 7.2kW Dual VW e-Crafter Bottom Case not welded
5QE915684A 11kW Three Audi e-tron Opposite End of Electrical
5QE915684AD

5QE915684AT

5QE915684J

OBCTYPP110G10V01 11kW Three Audi e-tron

Audi e-tron Sportback 2019-2021

Opposite End of Electrical 300 x 200 x 100 mm Made by KOSTAL

Taredown can be purchased here

5QE915684AL

5QE915684BG

5QE915684BK

5QE915684CB

5QE915684CR

OBCTYPP110G10V03 11kW Three Porsche Taycan

Audi e-tron GT

Right Side Made by KOSTAL

Taredown can be purchased here

Dual AC inputs

Probably easiest to buy an original CCS port with Loom 60 pin plug Part Number: 5Q0906379

Supersession(s): 3C0906379; 5Q0-906-379

Normaquick NW12
  • Associated Part Numbers: 3B0122291B, V10 9858, V10-9858, V10-9858-INT, V10.9858, V109858

(unverified)

5QE915684BJ OBCTYPP110G10V04 11kW Three Audi e-tron(?) Right Side Made by KOSTAL

Taredown can be purchased here

Probably easiest to buy an original CCS port with Loom 60 pin plug Part Number: 5Q0906379

Supersession(s): 3C0906379; 5Q0-906-379

Normaquick NW12
  • Associated Part Numbers: 3B0122291B, V10 9858, V10-9858, V10-9858-INT, V10.9858, V109858

(unverified)

5QE915684BC

5QE915684CM

OBCTYPP110G10V05 11kW Three Audi e-tron Opposite End of Electrical Made by KOSTAL

Taredown can be purchased here

Probably easiest to buy an original CCS port with Loom 60 pin plug Part Number: 5Q0906379

Supersession(s): 3C0906379; 5Q0-906-379

Normaquick NW12
  • Associated Part Numbers: 3B0122291B, V10 9858, V10-9858, V10-9858-INT, V10.9858, V109858

(unverified)

9J1915681AD

9J1915681AH

OBC 22kW C3 ROW 22kW Three Porsche Taycan 2019 Right Side 498 x 235 x 100 mm Longer case than other models.

Made by Meta System in Italy

Taredown available here

Probably easiest to buy an original CCS port with Loom 60 pin plug Part Number: 5Q0906379

Supersession(s): 3C0906379; 5Q0-906-379

Normaquick NW12
  • Associated Part Numbers: 3B0122291B, V10 9858, V10-9858, V10-9858-INT, V10.9858, V109858

(unverified)

1EA915684AD

1EA915684AF

1EA915684BF

1EA915684BG

OBCTYPP110G040V04K 11kW Three Audi Q4 e-tron 2021

Skoda Enyaq 2020

VW ID.3 2020

VW ID.4 2021

AC input end 480 x 313 x 102 mm Flatter and thinner than most other chargers on this list. Coolant inlets and outlets are plastic, be careful of broken plastic. Those are linkly not comptaible with all the information in the wiki.

Made by KOSTAL

Taredown can be purchased here

Not the same as MLBevo

LV Connection

Development thread: https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2607

Github Documentation: https://github.com/damienmaguire/VW-OnBoard-Charger

VW part number 5Q0906379. The 60 pin signal connector is TE part number 2208272-1 .Pins are two sizes of TE pins 5-968221-1 and 1241608-6. Can be found also on Aliexpress as 60 Pin ECU connector.

Pinouts of 60 Pin Connector
VW Golf PHEV Seat Mii / VW e-Golf[1] MLBevo (Audi Etron)[2]
Pin Function Comment Function Comment Function Comment
1 Terminal 30 (permanent 12V) Terminal 30 Terminal 30 confirmed
2 Charging Cover Lock (+) - Socket A
3 Switch/LED Common - Socket A confirmed / Sensor Ground / Both pin 3 and 45 can be tied together
4 Charge Port RGB LED +12v o/p LED - Red - Socket A
5 Charge Port RGB LED +12v o/p LED - Green - Socket A
6 LED - Blue - Socket A
7 Illumination LED - Socket A
8
9 Powertrain CAN bus, high Powertrain CAN bus, high CAN H - Bus #1 confirmed
10 Powertrain CAN bus, low Powertrain CAN bus, low CAN L - Bus #1 confirmed
11 Hybrid CAN bus, high Hybrid CAN bus, high CAN H - Bus #2
12 Hybrid CAN bus, low Hybrid CAN bus, low CAN L - Bus #2
13 HVIL IN HVIL IN Pilot Line In
14 LIN Comms
15 HVIL OUT HVIL OUT Pilot Line Out
16 Lock drive +. Drive to 12v to close lock. The lock can be coded off with ODIS Plug Lock (+) - Socket A
17 Lock Drive – Drive to 12v to open lock Plug Lock (-) - Socket A
18 Lock feedback. 1K fully locked ,11K Plug Locked, 1K overtravel Plug Lock Position - Socket A
19 Lock feedback. 1K fully locked ,11K Plug Locked, 1K overtravel Plug Lock Ground - Socket A
20
21 Immediate charge buttons Function LED #1
22 Charge Port RGB LED +12v o/p
23 Control Pilot (CP) CP - Socket A
24 Plug Present (PP) (4.7K to ground in socket) PP/CS - Socket A
25 Immediate charge buttons Charge Button - Socket A
26 Search Light (Shared - Possible LED4 in config)
27 Temperature sender for charging socket. 1067R at approx 15C AC Charge Port Temperature Sensor (-) - Socket A
28 Temperature sender for charging socket. 1067R at approx 15C AC Charge Port Temperature Sensor (+) - Socket A
29 Charging Cover Position Switch - Socket A
30 AC Charge Port Temperature Sensor (+) - Socket B confirmed
31 Charge port door lock actuator The flap can be coded off with ODIS Charging Cover Lock (+) - Socket B
32 Charge port door lock actuator Charging Cover Lock (-) - Socket B
33 Charge port door lock actuator Charging Cover Position Switch - Socket B confirmed / Other side tied to sensor ground pins 3/45
34 Charge port door lock actuator
35 Switch/LED Common - Socket B confirmed
36 LED - Red - Socket B confirmed
37 LED - Green - Socket B confirmed
38 LED - Blue - Socket B confirmed
39 Illumination LED - Socket B confirmed / Other side tied to ground pin* (Debating if this should be tied to the 3/45 pins)
40 CP - Socket B confirmed
41 PP/CS - Socket B confirmed
42
43
44
45 Switch/LED Common - Socket B confirmed / Both pin 3 and 45 can be tied together
46 Plug Lock (+) - Socket B confirmed
47 Plug Lock (-) - Socket B confirmed
48 Plug Lock Position - Socket B confirmed / Resistive 1k/11k unlocked/locked) *Other side tied to sensor ground pins 3/45*
49 DC Charge Port Temperature Sensor (+) - Socket B confirmed
50 Charging Cover Lock (-) - Socket A
51 Immediate charge buttons Charge Button - Socket B confirmed / Other side tied to sensor ground pins 3/45
52 DC Charge Port Temperature Sensor (-) - Socket B confirmed
53 Chademo CAN-H
54 Chademo CAN-L
55 Chademo
56 Chademo
57
58
59
60 Terminal 31 (Ground) Terminal 31 confirmed

AC Connection

Golf GTE and all 5QE915682 series 3.6 kW chargers - Part number TE Connectivity 2103177-2

AC Input VW PHEV Charger.jpg

MLBevo

TE YHVA630-5phm-6mm-A and HV output coding A is 2141256-1

HV Connection

It doesnt care what you connect to the HV wires. 360v, 12v, heating element, dead short. Its mission in life is pumping current. It just dumps out voltage even when it does not see any voltage present.

Coding

MLBevo chargers seem to all use the EV_OBC3Phase1KLOMLBev16B config/odx. 20103 for the security code.

LIN Devices still show up within the DTC Memory, However no functional issues with them disconnected as long as the coding has them coded out. Similar errors exist for the door and other coded out options. Assumption is that the base software still has the DTC codes enabled for faults, however the selection is universal for the base charger option. (much like how most times you can code out a O2 sensor, but the DTC code will remain unless digging deeper into the ECU programming)

VCDS

You can open in the VCDS LCode.exe program (no purchase needed) and it's a interactive way to determine the coding value required. Coding label file available here. Shouldn't be necessary for newer versions of VCDS. Working with a Hex_V2 Cable.

Bitfield 0 Bitfield 1 Bitfield 2 Bitfield 3
CP standard - SAE/

vehicle category - Electric Vehicle / Hybrid

20kW charger

AC charging socket B

AC charging socket A

PLC charging socket B

PLC charging socket A

DC Charging - Chademo

Country encoding (NAR/

HV activation auxiliary contactor

Charging socket resistor B

Charging socket resistor A

AWC installed - Wireless charging

Number of AC chargers (One/Two)

Mobile Online Services (MOD)

Sub-Grid operation

Charging cover lock (charging socket B)

Charging cover lock (charging socket A)

HV activation DC charging read back

Maximum charging current (63A)

Charging cover lock detection (charging socket B)

Charging cover lock detection (charging socket A)

Plug lock DC charging socket

iWWT - Integrated water heat exchanger?

Type of connector lock detection - Limit Switch

Plug lock (charging socket A)

Brand/Marque (VW/Audi/Porsche)

Bitfield 4 Bitfield 5 Bitfield 6 Bitfield 7
Plug and Charge (PnC)

Power Line Communication

Settings Clear error memory

HV charge booster (400v->800v)

Charging button module

Second charging button

Local HV interlock

stimulus line installed

Variant coding 11 kW (reserve)

Parking Heater

Kessy

Diagnostic resistor loading button

LED 4 (DC/Combo)

LEDs DC/Combo

LED 4 (AC)

DC China socket installed

Installed DC combo box

Intelligent charging socket installed (LIN socket)

Installation status of DC charging socket B

Installation status of DC charging socket A

Two charger can B

Charging button module socket B

Diagnosis resistance charging button socket B

Installation location DC charging socket

ODIS

ODIS Engineering is a common tool that works with some of the simpler dongles e.g. a VAS6154 cable

PIWIS

CAN-Messages

MLBevo TX Messages:

The CAN signals for MLBevo appear to be totally different than those for the rest of the charger line.

Required:

  • BMS_01 - 0x191
  • BMS_02 - 0x1A1
  • BMS_03 - 0x39D
  • BMS_04 - 0x5A2
  • BMS_06 - 0x59E
  • BMS_07 - 0x5CA
  • BMS_09 - 0x96A955EB
  • BMS_10 - 0x509
  • BMS_11 - 0x96A954A6
  • BMS_16 - 0x9A555539 - Just contains IDs for cells with low/high charge or temps
  • BMS_27 - 0x9A555552
  • BMS_DC_01 - 0x578 - Contains the HV DC Voltage for CCS
  • ESP_15 - 0x1A2 - Holding Management System info
  • Klemmen_Status_01 - 0x3C0 - Key status Run/Start, etc...
  • DCDC_01 - 0x2AE - 12V DC converter - Just values related to electrical load
  • HVK_01 - 0x503 - Items related to HV Contactor & JB
  • HVEM_02 - 0x5AC - Useable Energy for Comfort Functions
  • HVEM_05 - 0x552 - Fun items relating to Max Voltage and Plug Release

Signals I'm sending In addition:

  • Airbag_01 - 0x40 - Monitors HV Deactivate status
  • BCM1_04 - 0x64F - BCM Charge Status indication - Likely just confirmation feedback
  • DCDC_03 - 0x5CD - 400v to 800v converter - Likely not required
  • EM1_HYB_11 - 0x37C - Signal for E-Motor Status - Can be 0 for standby
  • FCU_02 - 0x17B - Contains Tank Flap Release & Signal which may go High to signal ready for charging (EPB, Drive System Disabled)
  • NavData_02 - 0x485- This along with Authentic_Time_01 contain a 32-bit epoch unix time, used for the charge time calculation.
  • VIN_01 - 0x6B4 - Mux'd VIN# - Likely not required or just mimic the Donor Vin?
  • ZV_01 - 0x184 - Signal to unlock via ZT - Maybe will unlock charge plug
  • ZV_02 - 0x583 - Lock status, likely not required

Signals I haven't added:

  • Dimmung_01 - 0x5F0
  • Einheiten_01 - 0x643
  • ESP_49 - 0x96A954AE - Contains Value for Regen reserve, Guessing that ESP will average typical SOC% to reserve to allow regen - Likely not required
  • NVEM_02 - 0x663 - Contains Battery Voltage from Battery Data Module
  • MSG_HYB_30 - 0x153 - Only seems to use the Counter & Checksum?

Narrowed down to:

10ms:

0x191

100ms:

0x3C0

0x503

0x1A1

MQB TX Messages:

Golf Phev charger from a CAN perspective are a total of 7 messages. One on PT CAN : 0x187 and 6 on Hybrid CAN : 0x097 , 0x124 , 0x3a6 , 0x3af , 0x6a3 and 0x6a4.

Reference Implementations:

Charger Code References Status Comment
Audi E-Tron Charger (11kW) [3] Proved working Mitchy
7.2kW Cayenne Phev charger 5QE 915 681 BQ Arduino[4], ZombieVCU[5] [6] Proved working LRBen
2021 Seat Mii part number : 5QE915681BP

Golf PHEV part number : 5QE915682AK

Arduino Proved Working Damien

References

  1. ↑ Forum Reference: https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=47686#p47686
  2. ↑ https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=55623#p55623
  3. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1KUErQxx5M
  4. ↑ https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=61370#p61370
  5. ↑ https://github.com/SomersetEV/Stm32-vcu/tree/Cayenne-Charger
  6. ↑ https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=61070#p61070
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