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Here we collect information about Nissans BMS.
Here we collect information about Nissans BMS.
A well fleshed out comm stack is implemented in the stm32-car project: https://github.com/jsphuebner/stm32-car


=== Connectors ===
=== Connectors ===
Credit goes to Wolftronix for figuring this out.
Credit goes to Wolftronix for figuring this out.


You will also find it on the [https://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showpost.php?p=871121&postcount=207 diyelectriccar] forum, you will need to sign up for downloading
You will also find it on the [https://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showpost.php?p=871121&postcount=207 diyelectriccar] forum, you will need to sign up for downloading. Pins are counted left to right when looking into the BMS. Cell 1+ is the positive most and 96 the negative most.
{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
| colspan="4" |'''P3 32 pin'''
| colspan="4" |'''P4 24 pin'''
| colspan="4" |'''P4 24 pin'''
| colspan="4" |'''P3 32 pin'''
| colspan="4" |'''P5 40 Pin'''
| colspan="4" |'''P6 16 Pin'''
| colspan="4" |'''P6 16 Pin'''
| colspan="4" |'''P5 40 Pin'''
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|30
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|13
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|1
|49+
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|21
|21
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|1
|1
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|85
|9
|9
|1
|61
|60
|21
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|2
|2
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|2
|2
|1-
|18
|2
|32
|31
|14
|14
|2
|2
|23
|50
|49-
|22
|22
|18
|2
|2
|49
|86
|48
|87
|10
|10
|2
|63
|62
|22
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|3
|3
|5
|4
|4
|15
|3
|3
|25
|24
|19
|19
|3
|3
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|15
|3
|52
|51
|51
|50
|23
|11
|3
|3
|65
|88
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|23
|11
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|4
|4
|7
|6
|6
|5
|20
|4
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|33
|16
|16
|4
|4
|27
|54
|26
|53
|20
|24
|4
|4
|53
|90
|52
|89
|12
|12
|4
|67
|64
|24
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|5
|5
|9
|8
|8
|7
|21
|5
|34
|35
|17
|17
|5
|5
|29
|56
|28
|55
|21
|25
|5
|5
|55
|92
|54
|91
|13
|13
|5
|69
|66
|25
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|6
|6
|11
|10
|10
|9
|22
|6
|36
|37
|18
|18
|6
|6
|31
|58
|30
|57
|22
|26
|6
|6
|57
|94
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|93
|14
|14
|6
|71
|68
|26
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|7
|7
|13
|12
|12
|11
|23
|7
|38
|39
|19
|19
|7
|7
|33
|60
|32
|59
|23
|27
|7
|7
|59
|96
|56
|95
|15
|15
|7
|73
|70
|27
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|8
|8
|15
|14
|14
|13
|24
|8
|40
|41
|20
|20
|8
|62
|61
|28
|8
|8
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|34
|24
|8
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|58
|16
|16
|8
|75
|72
|28
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|9
|9
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|16
|15
|25
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|42
|43
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|21
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|9
|35
|64
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|77
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|26
|10
|44
|45
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|10
|37
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|65
|26
|30
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|79
|76
|30
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|11
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|18
|18
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|27
|11
|46
|47
|23
|23
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|11
|39
|66
|40
|67
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|31
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|31
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|21
|28
|12
|12
|41
|48
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|12
|12
|81
|68
|80
|69
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|43
|22
|44
|23
|29
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|Notes
|Notes
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|16-polig male
|16-pole male
|1473796-1
|1473796-1
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|16-polig female
|16-pole female
|1318386-1
|1318386-1
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|24-polig male
|24-pole male
|1473799-1
|1376103-1
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|24-polig female
|24-pole female
|1318917-1
|1318917-1
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|32-polig male
|32-pole male
|1473799-1
|1473799-1
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|32-polig female
|32-pole female
|1318747-1
|1318747-1
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|40-polig male
|40-pole male
|1376113-2
|1376113-2
|Solder part, crimp not available
|Solder part, crimp not available
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|40-polig female
|40-pole female
|1318389-1
|1318389-1
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EHa4R85BttuY4JZ-EnssH4YZddpsDVu6rUFm0P7ouwg/edit#gid=7
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EHa4R85BttuY4JZ-EnssH4YZddpsDVu6rUFm0P7ouwg/edit#gid=7
Dalas repository of CAN
https://github.com/dalathegreat/leaf_can_bus_messages


=== Different Versions ===
=== Different Versions ===
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The earlier version has only white input headers while the later version has ONE black HV header and a grey low voltage header. We call the first version the "white" BMS and the later version the "grey" BMS.
The earlier version has only white input headers while the later version has ONE black HV header and a grey low voltage header. We call the first version the "white" BMS and the later version the "grey" BMS.


The BMS cannot limit anything, it only measures voltage and current and it will balance the cells 24/7 as long as it receives +12V on pin 5 (BAT) of the round connector, which is wired to pin 12 of the LB11 connector.
The BMS will only communicate when there is 12V on either IGN (pin 4 round connector, pin 6 or 7 of LB11, for old/new BMS) or CHG IGN (Charging) which is located on pin 21 or 31 (old/new battery type), pin 5 of LB11.
Treated as a black box the main differences are:
Treated as a black box the main differences are:
* Interlock is between Pin 8 and Pin 21 on white BMS as opposed to Pin 8 and Pin 6 on grey BMS
* Interlock is between Pin 8 and Pin 21 on white BMS as opposed to Pin 8 and Pin 6 on grey BMS
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* Supposedly the current sensors GND is on Pin 7 but I found Pin 7 internally unconnected and left GND on Pin 15
* Supposedly the current sensors GND is on Pin 7 but I found Pin 7 internally unconnected and left GND on Pin 15
So if you have a "grey" wiring loom but a white LBC you need to move Pin 6 over to Pin 21 and Pin 7 to Pin 6.
So if you have a "grey" wiring loom but a white LBC you need to move Pin 6 over to Pin 21 and Pin 7 to Pin 6.
PDF for HV wiring;
https://www.diyelectriccar.com/threads/re-using-complete-leaf-drive-system-w-vcm.151458/page-11?post_id=871121#post-871121


To mitigate the missing temperature sensor you need to bridge the two input internally behind the input stage. Therefor remove R59. Then Find R62 and bridge it over to the adjacent channel 4. If you want you can use the resistor you just removed.
To mitigate the missing temperature sensor you need to bridge the two input internally behind the input stage. Therefor remove R59. Then Find R62 and bridge it over to the adjacent channel 4. If you want you can use the resistor you just removed.
=== CAN connector pins ===
Pins for CAN-H and CAN-L and others as identified by wolftronix in the diagram below. Pins are for LB11 and LB12 connectors in Nissan terminology.
[[File:Nissan Leaf BMS Connector Pins LB11 LB12.png|thumb|LB11 LB12 mappings]]
=== 40kWh BMS ===
The pinout for +12V, CAN-H, CAN-L, Ignition and HV is identical o previous versions.
It uses a daisy chain of MAX17823B for sensing cell voltages.
[[File:40kwh Nissan Leaf BMS.jpg|thumb]]
=== Extending Sensing Wires ===
People have succesfully extended sensing wires on a 30kWh pack, beware of extending them too much on a 40kWh pack as this can cause a variety of issues [https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2737]
[[Category:Nissan]] [[Category:BMS]] [[Category:Battery]]

Latest revision as of 16:51, 20 December 2024

Here we collect information about Nissans BMS.

A well fleshed out comm stack is implemented in the stm32-car project: https://github.com/jsphuebner/stm32-car

Connectors

Credit goes to Wolftronix for figuring this out.

You will also find it on the diyelectriccar forum, you will need to sign up for downloading. Pins are counted left to right when looking into the BMS. Cell 1+ is the positive most and 96 the negative most.

P3 32 pin P4 24 pin P5 40 Pin P6 16 Pin
Pin Cell Cell Pin Pin Cell Cell Pin Pin Cell Cell Pin Pin Cell Cell Pin
1 1+ 17 1 30 29 13 1 49+ 21 1 85 9
2 2 1- 18 2 32 31 14 2 50 49- 22 2 86 87 10
3 4 3 19 3 15 3 52 51 23 3 88 11
4 6 5 20 4 33 16 4 54 53 24 4 90 89 12
5 8 7 21 5 34 35 17 5 56 55 25 5 92 91 13
6 10 9 22 6 36 37 18 6 58 57 26 6 94 93 14
7 12 11 23 7 38 39 19 7 60 59 27 7 96 95 15
8 14 13 24 8 40 41 20 8 62 61 28 8 16
9 15 25 9 42 43 21 9 64 63 29
10 16 17 26 10 44 45 22 10 65 30
11 18 19 27 11 46 47 23 11 66 67 31
12 20 21 28 12 48 24 12 68 69 32
13 22 23 29 13 70 71 33
14 24 25 30 14 72 73 34
15 26 27 31 15 74 75 35
16 28 32 16 76 77 36
17 78 79 37
18 80 38
19 82 81 39
20 84 83 40

Connector part numbers

In case you need to adapt or extend the sense wires, you will need the male and female connectors and the respective pins. Here are the part numbers:

Part Number Notes
16-pole male 1473796-1
16-pole female 1318386-1
24-pole male 1376103-1
24-pole female 1318917-1
32-pole male 1473799-1
32-pole female 1318747-1
40-pole male 1376113-2 Solder part, crimp not available
40-pole female 1318389-1
Pin male 1376109-1
Pin female 1123343-1

CAN Messages

Upon powerup the unit spits out messages that contain various useful info. After a while these messages stop and you have to send 50B#00 00 00 C0 00 00 00 to get it going again.

All messages are big endian, i.e. hi-byte, lo-byte!

To get the individual cell voltages, first issue 79B#02 21 02 FF FF FF FF FF. You will receive the first reply looking like this: 7BB#10 C6 61 02 0E C9 0E C0.

Now send 27 times 79B#30 01 00 FF FF FF FF FF and you get 7BB#21 0E C0 0E C2 0E C0 0E. It is one index byte and 7 data bytes. So after 28 messages you will have collected 98 words (16-bit) of data. Every other message it stretches over to the next message. The first the last two words are unknown so we discard them. That leaves us with 96 Words that represent the cell voltages in mV in big endian format.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EHa4R85BttuY4JZ-EnssH4YZddpsDVu6rUFm0P7ouwg/edit#gid=7

Dalas repository of CAN https://github.com/dalathegreat/leaf_can_bus_messages

Different Versions

Version 2 BMS with grey LV and black HV connector

Their seem to be at least two different versions of the LBC out there, as discovered here: https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=370&start=10

The earlier version has only white input headers while the later version has ONE black HV header and a grey low voltage header. We call the first version the "white" BMS and the later version the "grey" BMS.

The BMS cannot limit anything, it only measures voltage and current and it will balance the cells 24/7 as long as it receives +12V on pin 5 (BAT) of the round connector, which is wired to pin 12 of the LB11 connector. The BMS will only communicate when there is 12V on either IGN (pin 4 round connector, pin 6 or 7 of LB11, for old/new BMS) or CHG IGN (Charging) which is located on pin 21 or 31 (old/new battery type), pin 5 of LB11. Treated as a black box the main differences are:

  • Interlock is between Pin 8 and Pin 21 on white BMS as opposed to Pin 8 and Pin 6 on grey BMS
  • Ignition input is on pin 6 on white as opposed to pin 7 on grey
  • White BMS expects 4 temperature sensors, grey BMS only 3
  • Supposedly the current sensors GND is on Pin 7 but I found Pin 7 internally unconnected and left GND on Pin 15

So if you have a "grey" wiring loom but a white LBC you need to move Pin 6 over to Pin 21 and Pin 7 to Pin 6.

PDF for HV wiring; https://www.diyelectriccar.com/threads/re-using-complete-leaf-drive-system-w-vcm.151458/page-11?post_id=871121#post-871121

To mitigate the missing temperature sensor you need to bridge the two input internally behind the input stage. Therefor remove R59. Then Find R62 and bridge it over to the adjacent channel 4. If you want you can use the resistor you just removed.

CAN connector pins

Pins for CAN-H and CAN-L and others as identified by wolftronix in the diagram below. Pins are for LB11 and LB12 connectors in Nissan terminology.

LB11 LB12 mappings

40kWh BMS

The pinout for +12V, CAN-H, CAN-L, Ignition and HV is identical o previous versions.

It uses a daisy chain of MAX17823B for sensing cell voltages.

40kwh Nissan Leaf BMS.jpg

Extending Sensing Wires

People have succesfully extended sensing wires on a 30kWh pack, beware of extending them too much on a 40kWh pack as this can cause a variety of issues [1]

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