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There's a generational difference between the 1-2 phase PHEV chargers, and the newer MLBevo type used on the Audi E-Tron, E-Tron GT & Porsche Taycan | |||
There are many different variants of MQB and | == Difference between MLBevo/MQB vs. MEB Chargers == | ||
== MLBevo/MQB Chargers Overview == | |||
There are many different variants of MQB and MLBevo chargers with a wide range of potential power outputs. | |||
'''These charges are not recommended if you are looking for a known working solution.''' | '''These charges are not recommended if you are looking for a known working solution.''' | ||
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== | ==LV Connection== | ||
Development thread: https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2607 | Development thread: https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2607 | ||
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! colspan="2" |VW Golf PHEV | ! colspan="2" |VW Golf PHEV | ||
! colspan="2" |Seat Mii / VW e-Golf<ref>Forum Reference: https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=47686#p47686</ref> | ! colspan="2" |Seat Mii / VW e-Golf<ref>Forum Reference: https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=47686#p47686</ref> | ||
! colspan="2" |MLBevo (Audi Etron)<ref>https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=55623#p55623</ref> | |||
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|16||Lock drive +. Drive to 12v to close lock. | |16||Lock drive +. Drive to 12v to close lock. | ||
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|17||Lock Drive – Drive to 12v to open lock | |17||Lock Drive – Drive to 12v to open lock | ||
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|18 || Lock feedback. 1K fully locked ,11K Plug Locked, 1K overtravel | |18 || Lock feedback. 1K fully locked ,11K Plug Locked, 1K overtravel | ||
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|19||Lock feedback. 1K fully locked ,11K Plug Locked, 1K overtravel | |19||Lock feedback. 1K fully locked ,11K Plug Locked, 1K overtravel | ||
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|22||Charge Port RGB LED +12v o/p | |22||Charge Port RGB LED +12v o/p | ||
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|24||Plug Present (PP) (4.7K to ground in socket) | |24||Plug Present (PP) (4.7K to ground in socket) | ||
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|27||Temperature sender for charging socket. 1067R at approx 15C | |27||Temperature sender for charging socket. 1067R at approx 15C | ||
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|28||Temperature sender for charging socket. 1067R at approx 15C | |28||Temperature sender for charging socket. 1067R at approx 15C | ||
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| 31 ||Charge port door lock actuator | | 31 ||Charge port door lock actuator | ||
|The flap can be coded off with ODIS | |The flap can be coded off with ODIS | ||
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==== Golf GTE and all 5QE915682 series 3.6 kW chargers - Part number TE Connectivity 2103177-2 ==== | ==== Golf GTE and all 5QE915682 series 3.6 kW chargers - Part number TE Connectivity 2103177-2 ==== | ||
[[File:AC Input VW PHEV Charger.jpg|none|thumb]] | [[File:AC Input VW PHEV Charger.jpg|none|thumb]] | ||
== HV Connection == | |||
== Coding == | |||
MLBevo chargers seem to all use the EV_OBC3Phase1KLOMLBev16B config/odx | |||
=== VCDS === | |||
You can open in the VCDS LCode.exe program [https://forums.ross-tech.com/index.php?threads/20117/page-7 (no purchase needed)] and it's a interactive way to determine the coding value required. Coding label file available [https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=55623#p55623 here]. Shouldn't be necessary for newer versions of VCDS. | |||
{| class="wikitable" | |||
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!'''Bitfield 0''' | |||
!'''Bitfield 1''' | |||
!'''Bitfield 2''' | |||
!'''Bitfield 3''' | |||
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|CP standard - SAE/ | |||
vehicle category - Electric Vehicle / Hybrid | |||
20kW charger | |||
AC charging socket B | |||
AC charging socket A | |||
PLC charging socket B | |||
PLC charging socket A | |||
DC Charging - Chademo | |||
|Country encoding (NAR/ | |||
HV activation auxiliary contactor | |||
Charging socket resistor B | |||
Charging socket resistor A | |||
AWC installed - ''Wireless charging'' | |||
Number of AC chargers (One/Two) | |||
|Mobile Online Services (MOD) | |||
Sub-Grid operation | |||
Charging cover lock (charging socket B) | |||
Charging cover lock (charging socket A) | |||
HV activation DC charging read back | |||
Maximum charging current (63A) | |||
|Charging cover lock detection (charging socket B) | |||
Charging cover lock detection (charging socket A) | |||
Plug lock DC charging socket | |||
iWWT - ''Integrated water heat exchanger?'' | |||
Type of connector lock detection - Limit Switch | |||
Plug lock (charging socket A) | |||
Brand/Marque (VW/Audi/Porsche) | |||
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|'''Bitfield 4''' | |||
|'''Bitfield 5''' | |||
|'''Bitfield 6''' | |||
|'''Bitfield 7''' | |||
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|Plug and Charge (PnC) | |||
Power Line Communication | |||
Settings Clear error memory | |||
HV charge booster (400v->800v) | |||
Charging button module | |||
Second charging button | |||
Local HV interlock | |||
stimulus line installed | |||
|Variant coding 11 kW (reserve) | |||
Parking Heater | |||
Kessy | |||
Diagnostic resistor loading button | |||
LED 4 (DC/Combo) | |||
LEDs DC/Combo | |||
LED 4 (AC) | |||
|DC China socket installed | |||
Installed DC combo box | |||
Intelligent charging socket installed (LIN socket) | |||
Installation status of DC charging socket B | |||
Installation status of DC charging socket A | |||
Two charger can B | |||
Charging button module socket B | |||
Diagnosis resistance charging button socket B | |||
|Installation location DC charging socket | |||
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=== ODIS === | |||
=== PIWIS === | |||
== CAN-Messages == | |||
=== RX Messages: === | |||
=== TX Messages: === | |||
'''Required:''' | |||
* BMS_01 - 0x191 | |||
* BMS_02 - 0x1A1 | |||
* BMS_03 - 0x39D | |||
* BMS_04 - 0x5A2 | |||
* BMS_06 - 0x59E | |||
* BMS_07 - 0x5CA | |||
* BMS_09 - 0x96A955EB | |||
* BMS_10 - 0x509 | |||
* BMS_11 - 0x96A954A6 | |||
* BMS_16 - 0x9A555539 - Just contains IDs for cells with low/high charge or temps | |||
* BMS_27 - 0x9A555552 | |||
* BMS_DC_01 - 0x578 - Contains the HV DC Voltage for CCS | |||
* ESP_15 - 0x1A2 - Holding Management System info | |||
* Klemmen_Status_01 - 0x3C0 - Key status Run/Start, etc... | |||
* DCDC_01 - 0x2AE - 12V DC converter - Just values related to electrical load | |||
* HVK_01 - 0x503 - Items related to HV Contactor & JB | |||
* HVEM_02 - 0x5AC - Useable Energy for Comfort Functions | |||
* HVEM_05 - 0x552 - Fun items relating to Max Voltage and Plug Release | |||
'''Signals I'm sending In addition:''' | |||
* Airbag_01 - 0x40 - Monitors HV Deactivate status | |||
* BCM1_04 - 0x64F - BCM Charge Status indication - Likely just confirmation feedback | |||
* DCDC_03 - 0x5CD - 400v to 800v converter - Likely not required | |||
* EM1_HYB_11 - 0x37C - Signal for E-Motor Status - Can be 0 for standby | |||
* FCU_02 - 0x17B - Contains Tank Flap Release & Signal which may go High to signal ready for charging (EPB, Drive System Disabled) | |||
* NavData_02 - 0x485- This along with Authentic_Time_01 contain a 32-bit epoch unix time, used for the charge time calculation. | |||
* VIN_01 - 0x6B4 - Mux'd VIN# - Likely not required or just mimic the Donor Vin? | |||
* ZV_01 - 0x184 - Signal to unlock via ZT - Maybe will unlock charge plug | |||
* ZV_02 - 0x583 - Lock status, likely not required | |||
'''Signals I haven't added:''' | |||
* Dimmung_01 - 0x5F0 | |||
* Einheiten_01 - 0x643 | |||
* ESP_49 - 0x96A954AE - Contains Value for Regen reserve, Guessing that ESP will average typical SOC% to reserve to allow regen - Likely not required | |||
* NVEM_02 - 0x663 - Contains Battery Voltage from Battery Data Module | |||
* MSG_HYB_30 - 0x153 - Only seems to use the Counter & Checksum? | |||
=== Reference Implementations: === | |||
== References == | == References == |
Revision as of 18:03, 6 November 2024
There's a generational difference between the 1-2 phase PHEV chargers, and the newer MLBevo type used on the Audi E-Tron, E-Tron GT & Porsche Taycan
Difference between MLBevo/MQB vs. MEB Chargers
MLBevo/MQB Chargers Overview
There are many different variants of MQB and MLBevo chargers with a wide range of potential power outputs.
These charges are not recommended if you are looking for a known working solution.
Part Number | Version | Power Rating | Phase | Vehicle Usage | Coolant Connections | Dimensions | Comments | Reverse Engineered | AC-Plug Connector | Communication Plug Connector | Coolant hose connector |
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5QE915685 | 3.6kW | Single | |||||||||
5QE915685C | OBCTYPP036G26V01 | 3.6kW | Single | SEAT/CUPRA Leon/Formentor Hybrid | Bottom | ||||||
5QE915682 | 3.6kW | Single | |||||||||
5QE915682AA
5QE915682AF |
04S, 13S | 3.6kW | Single | VW Golf MK7 GTE
Audi A3 8V 2018-2020 |
Bottom | Case not welded, 2 HV pass throughs | |||||
5QE915682AG | 07S | 3.6kW | Single | Audi A3 8V e-tron | Bottom | ||||||
5QE915682AK | 03S | 3.6kW | Single | VW Golf MK7 GTE | Bottom | Yes | |||||
5QE915682M | OBC C0 | 3.6kW | Single | VW Passat Hybrid | Bottom | ||||||
5QE915681AT | OBC 7200W | 7.2kW | Single | Audi Q7 e-tron 4M GTE | Bottom | Case not welded | |||||
5QE915681BP | OBCTypP072G30V02 | 7.2kW | Dual | VW e-Up!, SEAT Mii, SKODA Citigo-e iV, Arriba | Left side | Made by Delta, HV pass through | |||||
5QE915681BQ | OBCTypP072G30V03 | 7.2kW | Dual | Porsche Cayenne Hybrid 2017-2021 | Left side | ||||||
5QE915681CQ | OBCTypP072G30V03 | 7.2kW | Dual | Audi A8 PHEV 2022 | Left side | No HV pass through. | |||||
5QE915681B | OBC 7200W | 7.2kW | Dual | VW e-Golf 2017-2022 | Bottom | Case not welded | |||||
5QE915681D | OBC 7200W | 7.2kW | Dual | Audi Q5 PHEV 2020-2021 | Right side | Case not welded, no HV pass through | |||||
5QE915681N | OBC 7200W | 7.2kW | Dual | VW e-Crafter | Bottom | Case not welded | |||||
5QE915684A | 11kW | Three | Audi e-tron | Opposite End of Electrical | |||||||
5QE915684AD
5QE915684AT 5QE915684J |
OBCTYPP110G10V01 | 11kW | Three | Audi e-tron
Audi e-tron Sportback 2019-2021 |
Opposite End of Electrical | 300 x 200 x 100 mm | Made by KOSTAL
Taredown can be purchased here |
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5QE915684AL
5QE915684BG 5QE915684BK 5QE915684CB 5QE915684CR |
OBCTYPP110G10V03 | 11kW | Three | Porsche Taycan
Audi e-tron GT |
Right Side | Made by KOSTAL
Taredown can be purchased here Dual AC inputs |
Probably easiest to buy an original CCS port with Loom | 60 pin plug Part Number: 5Q0906379
Supersession(s): 3C0906379; 5Q0-906-379 |
Normaquick NW12
(unverified) | ||
5QE915684BJ | OBCTYPP110G10V04 | 11kW | Three | Audi e-tron(?) | Right Side | Made by KOSTAL
Taredown can be purchased here |
Probably easiest to buy an original CCS port with Loom | 60 pin plug Part Number: 5Q0906379
Supersession(s): 3C0906379; 5Q0-906-379 |
Normaquick NW12
(unverified) | ||
5QE915684BC
5QE915684CM |
OBCTYPP110G10V05 | 11kW | Three | Audi e-tron | Opposite End of Electrical | Made by KOSTAL
Taredown can be purchased here |
Probably easiest to buy an original CCS port with Loom | 60 pin plug Part Number: 5Q0906379
Supersession(s): 3C0906379; 5Q0-906-379 |
Normaquick NW12
(unverified) | ||
9J1915681AD
9J1915681AH |
OBC 22kW C3 ROW | 22kW | Three | Porsche Taycan 2019 | Right Side | 498 x 235 x 100 mm | Longer case than other models.
Made by Meta System in Italy Taredown available here |
Probably easiest to buy an original CCS port with Loom | 60 pin plug Part Number: 5Q0906379
Supersession(s): 3C0906379; 5Q0-906-379 |
Normaquick NW12
(unverified) | |
1EA915684AD
1EA915684AF 1EA915684BF 1EA915684BG |
OBCTYPP110G040V04K | 11kW | Three | Audi Q4 e-tron 2021
Skoda Enyaq 2020 VW ID.3 2020 VW ID.4 2021 |
AC input end | 480 x 313 x 102 mm | Flatter and thinner than most other chargers on this list. Coolant inlets and outlets are plastic, be careful of broken plastic.
Made by KOSTAL Taredown can be purchased here |
LV Connection
Development thread: https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2607
Github Documentation: https://github.com/damienmaguire/VW-OnBoard-Charger
VW Golf PHEV | Seat Mii / VW e-Golf[2] | MLBevo (Audi Etron)[3] | ||||
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1 | Terminal 30 (permanent 12V) | Terminal 30 | ||||
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4 | Charge Port RGB LED +12v o/p | |||||
5 | Charge Port RGB LED +12v o/p | |||||
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9 | Powertrain CAN bus, high | Powertrain CAN bus, high | ||||
10 | Powertrain CAN bus, low | Powertrain CAN bus, low | ||||
11 | Hybrid CAN bus, high | Hybrid CAN bus, high | ||||
12 | Hybrid CAN bus, low | Hybrid CAN bus, low | ||||
13 | HVIL IN | HVIL IN | ||||
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15 | HVIL OUT | HVIL OUT | ||||
16 | Lock drive +. Drive to 12v to close lock. | The lock can be coded off with ODIS | ||||
17 | Lock Drive – Drive to 12v to open lock | |||||
18 | Lock feedback. 1K fully locked ,11K Plug Locked, 1K overtravel | |||||
19 | Lock feedback. 1K fully locked ,11K Plug Locked, 1K overtravel | |||||
20 | ||||||
21 | Immediate charge buttons | |||||
22 | Charge Port RGB LED +12v o/p | |||||
23 | Control Pilot (CP) | |||||
24 | Plug Present (PP) (4.7K to ground in socket) | |||||
25 | Immediate charge buttons | |||||
26 | ||||||
27 | Temperature sender for charging socket. 1067R at approx 15C | |||||
28 | Temperature sender for charging socket. 1067R at approx 15C | |||||
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30 | ||||||
31 | Charge port door lock actuator | The flap can be coded off with ODIS | ||||
32 | Charge port door lock actuator | |||||
33 | Charge port door lock actuator | |||||
34 | Charge port door lock actuator | |||||
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51 | Immediate charge buttons | |||||
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60 | Terminal 31 (Ground) | Terminal 31 |
AC Connection
Golf GTE and all 5QE915682 series 3.6 kW chargers - Part number TE Connectivity 2103177-2
HV Connection
Coding
MLBevo chargers seem to all use the EV_OBC3Phase1KLOMLBev16B config/odx
VCDS
You can open in the VCDS LCode.exe program (no purchase needed) and it's a interactive way to determine the coding value required. Coding label file available here. Shouldn't be necessary for newer versions of VCDS.
Bitfield 0 | Bitfield 1 | Bitfield 2 | Bitfield 3 |
---|---|---|---|
CP standard - SAE/
vehicle category - Electric Vehicle / Hybrid 20kW charger AC charging socket B AC charging socket A PLC charging socket B PLC charging socket A DC Charging - Chademo |
Country encoding (NAR/
HV activation auxiliary contactor Charging socket resistor B Charging socket resistor A AWC installed - Wireless charging Number of AC chargers (One/Two) |
Mobile Online Services (MOD)
Sub-Grid operation Charging cover lock (charging socket B) Charging cover lock (charging socket A) HV activation DC charging read back Maximum charging current (63A) |
Charging cover lock detection (charging socket B)
Charging cover lock detection (charging socket A) Plug lock DC charging socket iWWT - Integrated water heat exchanger? Type of connector lock detection - Limit Switch Plug lock (charging socket A) Brand/Marque (VW/Audi/Porsche) |
Bitfield 4 | Bitfield 5 | Bitfield 6 | Bitfield 7 |
Plug and Charge (PnC)
Power Line Communication Settings Clear error memory HV charge booster (400v->800v) Charging button module Second charging button Local HV interlock stimulus line installed |
Variant coding 11 kW (reserve)
Parking Heater Kessy Diagnostic resistor loading button LED 4 (DC/Combo) LEDs DC/Combo LED 4 (AC) |
DC China socket installed
Installed DC combo box Intelligent charging socket installed (LIN socket) Installation status of DC charging socket B Installation status of DC charging socket A Two charger can B Charging button module socket B Diagnosis resistance charging button socket B |
Installation location DC charging socket |
ODIS
PIWIS
CAN-Messages
RX Messages:
TX Messages:
Required:
- BMS_01 - 0x191
- BMS_02 - 0x1A1
- BMS_03 - 0x39D
- BMS_04 - 0x5A2
- BMS_06 - 0x59E
- BMS_07 - 0x5CA
- BMS_09 - 0x96A955EB
- BMS_10 - 0x509
- BMS_11 - 0x96A954A6
- BMS_16 - 0x9A555539 - Just contains IDs for cells with low/high charge or temps
- BMS_27 - 0x9A555552
- BMS_DC_01 - 0x578 - Contains the HV DC Voltage for CCS
- ESP_15 - 0x1A2 - Holding Management System info
- Klemmen_Status_01 - 0x3C0 - Key status Run/Start, etc...
- DCDC_01 - 0x2AE - 12V DC converter - Just values related to electrical load
- HVK_01 - 0x503 - Items related to HV Contactor & JB
- HVEM_02 - 0x5AC - Useable Energy for Comfort Functions
- HVEM_05 - 0x552 - Fun items relating to Max Voltage and Plug Release
Signals I'm sending In addition:
- Airbag_01 - 0x40 - Monitors HV Deactivate status
- BCM1_04 - 0x64F - BCM Charge Status indication - Likely just confirmation feedback
- DCDC_03 - 0x5CD - 400v to 800v converter - Likely not required
- EM1_HYB_11 - 0x37C - Signal for E-Motor Status - Can be 0 for standby
- FCU_02 - 0x17B - Contains Tank Flap Release & Signal which may go High to signal ready for charging (EPB, Drive System Disabled)
- NavData_02 - 0x485- This along with Authentic_Time_01 contain a 32-bit epoch unix time, used for the charge time calculation.
- VIN_01 - 0x6B4 - Mux'd VIN# - Likely not required or just mimic the Donor Vin?
- ZV_01 - 0x184 - Signal to unlock via ZT - Maybe will unlock charge plug
- ZV_02 - 0x583 - Lock status, likely not required
Signals I haven't added:
- Dimmung_01 - 0x5F0
- Einheiten_01 - 0x643
- ESP_49 - 0x96A954AE - Contains Value for Regen reserve, Guessing that ESP will average typical SOC% to reserve to allow regen - Likely not required
- NVEM_02 - 0x663 - Contains Battery Voltage from Battery Data Module
- MSG_HYB_30 - 0x153 - Only seems to use the Counter & Checksum?
Reference Implementations:
References
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