[WIP] Bruno, the Kei truck bus

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[WIP] Bruno, the Kei truck bus

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Hi guys,
after lurking for quite a while it's finally time for my first post. I am a handy mechanical engineer living in Leipzig/Germany. I run a digital dental production facility and have experience and access to FDM and resin printers as well as small 5-axis mills. I have a lathe and a crude CNC mill (MPCNC low rider 2) at home. I can TIG weld steel and aluminium and I have built a hydraulic sheet metal bender.
Electronically I am less proficient. I have built a small arduino project: A water carbonator. Just a pump, level switch and some solenoids.
I have also converted my 1st gen Honda Insight to plugin hybrid with lithium batteries. But that was with a very good build guide from the insightcentral.net forum: https://www.linsight.org/
I am always open to learn new things and hope to understand all the different zombi values some day...

I hope to follow the forum rules by marking this [WIP]. That does stand for "wondering im pubilc", right?! ;)

So, I am dreaming of converting my little runabout. It's a 2001 Daihatsu Hijet S85 Bus called Bruno. The guy I bought him from named him thus and it stuck, because it suites the little guy!😍
I will post some pictures, but I guess I cannot do that in my first post.
In Europe they were built under Licence by Piaggio and were also sold as "Piaggio Porter".
He has a 1.3l 4-cylinder petrol stinker, that I would like to deICE. 48kW is much more than the original japanese Kei trucks have. And with 1000 to 1550kg (empty to max) he is quite nippy.
I use him mainly to get my firewood from the nearby forest. So the stinker hardly warms up and as I am using electric chainsaws now, the exhaust annoys me.
I hope this can be an easy starter project, because I don't need much range or power. Apart from the fuel injection, which I plan to ditch, there are no electronics. No ABS, no power steering, no A/C.

drivetrain
I looked at Leaf stacks, but I think they are overpowered and rather large for my application. I like the london taxi adaptation to directly drive the rear wheels. Bruno has a rear diff (live axle?) with a 4.44:1 reduction. So I guess a 2:1 reduction for the motor would be ideal?!

Later I found your successes with the Prius gen 3 inverters and gearboxes. I think that would be a better fit powerwise. I am wondering if I could split the gearbox and only use MG2 without the planetary gears, MG1 and diff. That would save a lot on weight and space. What do you think? Maybe I would need to change the motor bearings for closed ones with lifetime lubrication. Do they exist for those speeds? Alternatively a tiny oil circuit for just the bearings could be possible.
I think I will keep the original gear box at first. 2nd gear is 2:1 and I could play around with the other gears before finally comitting.
As far as I can destill from the support thread, the Prius inverter hacking happened 5 years ago. Not much about running projects... Is that because they work so well or did all of them fail?
Gregski's Rabbit made me think I should get an inverter logic board from Damien in order to get around the power and speed restrictions. But which version? Does it only depend on the inverter model?

I haven't looked much into batteries, BMS and charging yet. I haven't figured out what is readily available in eastern Germany. BMW has a factory here in Leipzig. Maybe I should check if something drops of a truck there? :twisted:

I am planning to get a 3D scanner from a buddy and scan Bruno's nether region. It is a face scanner for dental work, but it could be accurate enough for a rough space analysis. I got a scan of a P410 Prius gearbox via the diyelectriccar forum. And batteries can be quickly modeled up as boxes at first.

Firewood season is just starting and I will need Bruno in running condition from September to February. But I guess I can start getting parts and bench test the drivetrain before installing it starting next spring. More realistically some spring in the coming years. This is not my only project and I am at the very beginning. I am greatful for your tips and opinions.
Cheers,
Nils
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2nd post. I can picture now! 8-)
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Moin!

Unlike our friends across the Atlantic you're lucky that you can get the Outlander PHEV rear drive unit: https://openinverter.org/wiki/Mitsubish ... Drive_Unit
They do have the nice adaptors from Brat though: https://bratindustries.net/product/outl ... -adapters/

Here is one example: https://www.ebay.de/itm/317044823079

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Hi Marc,
thanks for the tip! I thought about the outlander motor, because it is compact. They aren't very common in Germany, but getting them from the UK or Lithuania would be OK.
However I am not planning on using a drive unit with diff. I don't want to change the rear axle. I just changed the brakes and think it will be easier to get it approved if I don't change too much.
The fixed axle and leaf spring setup of the Hijet is rather primitive but adequate for the little bouncer. This will never be a comfortable or sporty car.
Do you think the outlander inverter and motor would be easier to implement than the Prius?
I kinda like the thought of harvesting a Prius as Daihatsu was taken over by Toyota around Brunos birth. Like playing the "mommy" card in Munchkin. Obscure nerd reference, I know. So uf outlander is easier for a noob like me, I'll droo the Prius idea.
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Sorry, not too familiar with the mechanics of those. You can use either the EM57 (~56kg) or the Outlander's Meidensha Y61 which weighs only 42kg and has a more compact (dedicated) inverter. The latter seems to be easier to get matching female splines for. Prius seems too much effort for little difference in a RWD application.
See as well. Here's the full thread: viewtopic.php?t=766
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Weeell, I don't see how this is an indorsement for the outlander motor. Given that Bobby cooked the bearings. OK, it was probably an alignment issue. But still...
Using the bare motor without diff seems very easy with the outlander and not so much with the Prius. I guess that is what you meant?
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A Prius’s trans axle is way too big and heavy and complicated for this project, especially if you want to keep the soild axle in the rear.

Matting a motor to the stock Manuel gearbox works. But making a de-Dion axle and fitting an outlander drive unit would be the way to go. frame rails now can contain all the batteries, and you have a reliable and efficient drive train.
https://bratindustries.net/ leaf motor couplers, adapter plates, custom drive train components
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