Drawing power out of CCS port (V2x, inverse charging, bidirectional CCS)

[p477d343]

Hello guys, yesterday. I perform a drawing power testing on my car(n7) when I plug the evse in with a ccs1 plug. But it end up stuck on sdp2. It seems like when evse sends sdp response back to pev. PEV did not continue to make TCP Negotiation.

When I try other brand's ev truck(not yes release). It went through right away and started drawing power from PEV with 2 lightbulbs.
The things that make the difference may have the following reasons.

1. My car(n7) does not have the right config with ipv6 address?

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[addressManager] Local IPv6 is fe80::2aae:949b:8102:4099%23
[addressManager] pev has IP fe80:0000:0000:0000:f2fd:ddff:fe00:688d

• As far as I can know. EV truck is running on din 70121 with CCS1 only. Does it have a way to identify my n7 is running on 70121 or 15118? My projection is also running with 70121. But I don't know how n7 doesn't connect tcp to my win10 laptop.

Here are the logs(n7):

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starting in EvseMode
initializing pyPlcWorker
[addressManager] we have local MAC 00:E0:4C:36:28:D2. Todo: find this out dynamically.
[addressManager] Found 1 link-local IPv6 addresses.
fe80::2aae:949b:8102:4099%23
[addressManager] Local IPv6 is fe80::2aae:949b:8102:4099%23
The configured windows interface name is \Device\NPF_{A67CFB0A-4512-425C-9CC2-4D9081FD5DF9}
This interface is in pcap eth4
[addressManager] will give local MAC 00:E0:4C:36:28:D2
[addressManager] will give local MAC 00:E0:4C:36:28:D2
pyPlcIpv6 started with ownMac 00:E0:4C:36:28:D2
[addressManager] will give local MAC 00:E0:4C:36:28:D2
udplog started with ownMac 00:E0:4C:36:28:D2
logging to UDP Syslog is disabled
sniffer created at eth4
[543ms] [HARDWAREINTERFACE] Auto detection of serial ports. Available serial ports:
[560ms] [HARDWAREINTERFACE]  1: COM9                 'USB-SERIAL CH340 (COM9)'
[560ms] [HARDWAREINTERFACE] ok, we take the first port, COM9
[635ms] [pyPlcWorker] Software version v0.9-66-g698dcb1
[635ms] [EVSE] initializing fsmEvse
[641ms] pyPlcTcpSocket listening on port 15118
[641ms] Hostname is sickcellsXPS
[Testsuite]  received syslog packet: Test message to verify the syslog. pyPlcHomeplug.py is in the init function.
[678ms] NID is (7bytes) = 01 02 D3 D9 23 0A 07 
[679ms] transmitting SET_KEY.REQ, to configure the EVSE modem with random NMK (16bytes) = 77 77 7F 19 A7 D0 A8 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 
[726ms] received SET_KEY.CNF
[726ms] SetKeyCnf says 1, this is formally 'rejected', but indeed ok.
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[7226ms] received SLAC_PARAM.REQ
[addressManager] pev has MAC xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
[7261ms] [EVSE] transmitting CM_SLAC_PARAM.CNF
[7305ms] Checkpoint102: received SLAC_PARAM.CNF
[7444ms] received MNBC_SOUND.IND
[7491ms] received MNBC_SOUND.IND
[7491ms] received MNBC_SOUND.IND
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[7583ms] received MNBC_SOUND.IND
[7584ms] received MNBC_SOUND.IND
[7630ms] received MNBC_SOUND.IND
[7631ms] received MNBC_SOUND.IND
[7632ms] [HARDWAREINTERFACE] 1 bytes received: y
[7675ms] received MNBC_SOUND.IND
[7676ms] [EVSE] transmitting ATTEN_CHAR.IND
[7678ms] [HARDWAREINTERFACE] 0 bytes received: 
[7721ms] received ATTEN_CHAR.IND
[7721ms] received SLAC_MATCH.REQ
[7724ms] [EVSE] transmitting SLAC_MATCH.CNF
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[addressManager] pev has IP fe80:0000:0000:0000:f2fd:ddff:fe00:688d
V2GTP (10bytes) = 01 FE 90 00 00 00 00 02 10 00 
Ok, this was a valid SDP request. We are the SECC. Sending SDP response.
SDP payload (20bytes) = FE 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 2A AE 94 9B 81 02 40 99 3B 0E 10 00 
V2Gframe (28bytes) = 01 FE 90 01 00 00 00 14 FE 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 2A AE 94 9B 81 02 40 99 3B 0E 10 00 
V2GTP (28bytes) = 01 FE 90 01 00 00 00 14 FE 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 2A AE 94 9B 81 02 40 99 3B 0E 10 00 
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[34669ms] received SLAC_PARAM.REQ
[addressManager] pev has MAC xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
[34673ms] [EVSE] transmitting CM_SLAC_PARAM.CNF
[34762ms] Checkpoint102: received SLAC_PARAM.CNF
[34857ms] received MNBC_SOUND.IND
[34861ms] received MNBC_SOUND.IND
[34965ms] received MNBC_SOUND.IND
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[34967ms] received MNBC_SOUND.IND
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[35058ms] received MNBC_SOUND.IND
[35060ms] received MNBC_SOUND.IND
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[35153ms] [EVSE] transmitting ATTEN_CHAR.IND
[35245ms] received ATTEN_CHAR.IND
[35245ms] received SLAC_MATCH.REQ
[35248ms] [EVSE] transmitting SLAC_MATCH.CNF
[35712ms] [HARDWAREINTERFACE] 0 bytes received: 
[addressManager] pev has IP fe80:0000:0000:0000:f2fd:ddff:fe00:688d
V2GTP (10bytes) = 01 FE 90 00 00 00 00 02 10 00 
Ok, this was a valid SDP request. We are the SECC. Sending SDP response.
SDP payload (20bytes) = FE 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 2A AE 94 9B 81 02 40 99 3B 0E 10 00 
V2Gframe (28bytes) = 01 FE 90 01 00 00 00 14 FE 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 2A AE 94 9B 81 02 40 99 3B 0E 10 00 
V2GTP (28bytes) = 01 FE 90 01 00 00 00 14 FE 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 2A AE 94 9B 81 02 40 99 3B 0E 10 00 
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Wireshark pcap with success drawing power from ev truck:

ev_truck_drawing_success.zip

(32.15 KiB) Downloaded 346 times

[uhi22]

A wireshark pcap of the failed case should show whether the PEV sends a TCP connect request.

[johu]

I tried yesterday with an Audi Q4 E-Tron.

First I found I had used the wrong output resistors for 5% PWM, 10k instead of 1k. With that I didn't even get past SLAC. So I corrected the resistor but then didn't get past CableCheck. It simply stops sending requests after the 4th request.

Possible reasons:
- My PWM is not going down to -12V, just 0V
- On chargers put 500V on the charge port during CableCheck, I can't do that (only 300V)

I was hoping it would go to PreCharge so I could test my little DC-DC converter but no luck. Anything sticking out from the log?

[uhi22]

I have no real idea. You could try to see what happens if we send the "cable check finished" already at the second loop. By decreasing the number here https://github.com/uhi22/pyPLC/blob/761 ... se.py#L250

And maybe check the PP resistance. And yes, the minus 12V.

[p477d343]

A wireshark pcap of the failed case should show whether the PEV sends a TCP connect request.

Hello guys, last time I was testing with n7. It stuck the SDP stage. And I forgot to record the packet with Wireshark. The next time, I try to test with miniEVSE. Somehow, the PWM doesn't work anymore. And the problem would be the inferior quality of LF355N. So I purchased a new one from STMicroelectronics. Test with oscilloscope, I am sure that it produces 1 kHz 5% PWM signal when I plug into EV. It seems like it did not wake up the EVCC with PWM signal. I have to test to different plug. One from j1772 plug with custom wire. And one that 3 small metal pipe connect with wire. Both are not getting any SLAC startup request from EV.

Any ideas why? I don't have another EV to test right now. Also, I am not sure about what I was missing. I think it is possible that every EV has some small different to wake up EVCC via PWM?

Here are my PLC modem version:

Here are my logs:

Code: Select all

starting in EvseMode
initializing pyPlcWorker
[addressManager] we have local MAC 00:E0:4C:36:28:D2. Todo: find this out dynamically.
[addressManager] Found 1 link-local IPv6 addresses.
fe80::19f2:db35:ec31:5f8%8
[addressManager] Local IPv6 is fe80::19f2:db35:ec31:5f8%8
The configured windows interface name is \Device\NPF_{4C95DA23-E78D-4555-8861-C0F158E9F74E}
This interface is in pcap eth4
[addressManager] will give local MAC 00:E0:4C:36:28:D2
[addressManager] will give local MAC 00:E0:4C:36:28:D2
pyPlcIpv6 started with ownMac 00:E0:4C:36:28:D2
[addressManager] will give local MAC 00:E0:4C:36:28:D2
udplog started with ownMac 00:E0:4C:36:28:D2
logging to UDP Syslog is disabled
sniffer created at eth4
[442ms] [HARDWAREINTERFACE] Auto detection of serial ports. Available serial ports:
[452ms] [HARDWAREINTERFACE]  1: COM12                'Silicon Labs CP210x USB to UART Bridge (COM12)'
[452ms] [HARDWAREINTERFACE] ok, we take the first port, COM12
[680ms] [pyPlcWorker] Software version v0.9-66-g698dcb1
[680ms] [EVSE] initializing fsmEvse
[683ms] pyPlcTcpSocket listening on port 15118
[683ms] Hostname is sickcellsXPS
[Testsuite]  received syslog packet: Test message to verify the syslog. pyPlcHomeplug.py is in the init function.
[730ms] NID is (7bytes) = 01 02 42 13 A3 F5 07 
[730ms] transmitting SET_KEY.REQ, to configure the EVSE modem with random NMK (16bytes) = 77 77 74 90 17 B6 01 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 
[774ms] received SET_KEY.CNF
[774ms] SetKeyCnf says 1, this is formally 'rejected', but indeed ok.
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user action x

Here are the pcap:

n7_fail.zip

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Hello guys, last time I was testing with n7. It stuck the SDP stage. And I forgot to record the packet with Wireshark. The next time, I try to test with miniEVSE. Somehow, the PWM doesn't work anymore. And the problem would be the inferior quality of LF355N. So I purchased a new one from STMicroelectronics. Test with oscilloscope, I am sure that it produces 1 kHz 5% PWM signal when I plug into EV. It seems like it did not wake up the EVCC with PWM signal. I have to test to different plug. One from j1772 plug with custom wire. And one that 3 small metal pipe connect with wire. Both are not getting any SLAC startup request from EV.

Any ideas why? I don't have another EV to test right now. Also, I am not sure about what I was missing. I think it is possible that every EV has some small different to wake up EVCC via PWM?

Here are my PLC modem version:
螢幕擷取畫面 2025-04-13 131150.png

Here are my logs:

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starting in EvseMode
initializing pyPlcWorker
[addressManager] we have local MAC 00:E0:4C:36:28:D2. Todo: find this out dynamically.
[addressManager] Found 1 link-local IPv6 addresses.
fe80::19f2:db35:ec31:5f8%8
[addressManager] Local IPv6 is fe80::19f2:db35:ec31:5f8%8
The configured windows interface name is \Device\NPF_{4C95DA23-E78D-4555-8861-C0F158E9F74E}
This interface is in pcap eth4
[addressManager] will give local MAC 00:E0:4C:36:28:D2
[addressManager] will give local MAC 00:E0:4C:36:28:D2
pyPlcIpv6 started with ownMac 00:E0:4C:36:28:D2
[addressManager] will give local MAC 00:E0:4C:36:28:D2
udplog started with ownMac 00:E0:4C:36:28:D2
logging to UDP Syslog is disabled
sniffer created at eth4
[442ms] [HARDWAREINTERFACE] Auto detection of serial ports. Available serial ports:
[452ms] [HARDWAREINTERFACE]  1: COM12                'Silicon Labs CP210x USB to UART Bridge (COM12)'
[452ms] [HARDWAREINTERFACE] ok, we take the first port, COM12
[680ms] [pyPlcWorker] Software version v0.9-66-g698dcb1
[680ms] [EVSE] initializing fsmEvse
[683ms] pyPlcTcpSocket listening on port 15118
[683ms] Hostname is sickcellsXPS
[Testsuite]  received syslog packet: Test message to verify the syslog. pyPlcHomeplug.py is in the init function.
[730ms] NID is (7bytes) = 01 02 42 13 A3 F5 07 
[730ms] transmitting SET_KEY.REQ, to configure the EVSE modem with random NMK (16bytes) = 77 77 74 90 17 B6 01 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 
[774ms] received SET_KEY.CNF
[774ms] SetKeyCnf says 1, this is formally 'rejected', but indeed ok.
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Here are the pcap:
n7_fail.zip

Hi guys, after testing another EV truck, I confirmed that MiniEVSE didn't break. It works well and draws out the EV truck's energy. But the only problem is that the CP voltage is too low. Before plugging it into the EV, its CP voltage was 10.7V. I was suspecting that the reason why MiniEVSE can't wake N7's EVCC up is that my CP Voltage(10.7V) is not included in the right CP range. I am guessing it is 12V with a deviation +-1V.

I am now using STMicroelectronics's LF355N. Its datasheet said its typical output range should be between +-12V and +-13V with input +15.1V and -12V. Right now, I have +12.8V and -12.8V input. Will it be the difference that my positive input is too low?

Another thing that I test is LF353P(refer to the image from this:https://github.com/uhi22/pyPLC/blob/mas ... d#hardware)
After replacing the LF353P with LF355N. I can measure the pin 1 output voltage to be 12V. And pin7 output is -11.4V.
But after connecting to the PEV. It did now generate the PWM signal while using the Oscilloscope to observe it.

• PWM signal from Arduino to pin 3.

• +12V to pin 8.

• -12V to pin 4.

• 5v and GND with 2*120k to pin 2.

How do you connect to CP with only positive output 12V that can generate a PWM signal while using LF353P?

Has anyone similar problem or encountered things like EVCC will check restrict CP range(For eample:11.5V~12.5V)?