Unlocking the power/torque of Prius gen 3 drive train?

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Unlocking the power/torque of Prius gen 3 drive train?

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Hi, in my shed is;
ZombieVerter VCU, software V2.15A running the following;
Toyota Prius gen 3 drive train and inverter
Mitsubishi Outlander onboard charger and DC/DC converter
BMW hybrid 330e 7.6 kWh gen 1 battery pack
Toyota Yaris accelerator pedal
Tesla model S water pump connected to skirting board radiators

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Possible to unlock power/torque of the Prius gen 3 drive train?
I have a similar bench setup as The Greg RabbitMyster (my teacher) and much like him I would love to see the Prius smash the 52mph barrier!

Really want to fit this Gen 3 Prius setup (because I have one and it will be different) in my 1966 Karmann Ghia which I have just de iced from a Subaru N/A 2litre 92kW 184Nm engine that I fitted in 2019.

Have converted the Ghia from Swingarm rear suspension to IRS to facilitate the fitting of an EV drive train.

I have not welded the Prius Power split device (as ably demonstrated by Damien) but am prepared to do so and anything else that may help to unlock the power!

Thanks
Les
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Re: Unlocking the power/torque of Prius gen 3 drive train?

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So at the moment there seems to be a firmware limited power limit on using MG2 only. As found in testing by greg viewtopic.php?p=73007#p73007 with the support of myself.

Your speed limit is likely due to the revlim of 6000, please raise this to 8000 and see if it will reach that.

I would strongly recommend welding the power split and seeing what changes, since there can be a limit due to only sending torque requests for 1 motor.
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Thanks Tom, I will raise the revlim to 8000 and retest.

I will weld the power split after this
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Set revlim to 8000...see log
set revlim to 10000...see log
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So this is not the limit right now. Best get this into a vehicle with a welded PSD and then start tweaking things.
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Thanks, I will start stripping it down and weld up the power split.

Just wanted to see if it was worth my while installing it into the Ghia
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Just had to chance my arm with a revlim 13000 run before the teardown!



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Have just welded the Prius Power split device and reassembled.

Did a quick test using MG2 only with revlim set to 13000

Is there anything else I can do?

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Run MG1, I would not run it to that high a speed without oil or load.

This is just to check it runs alright and no strange noises. Please check the output rotates in the correct direction.

No idea if we have to invert the torque for MG1 or not.
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Thanks Tom, will do tomorrow when I get some oil
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Oil in and MG1 running on revlim5000 no unusual noises.

Runs forward and reverse with output shaft matching.
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Ghia66 wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 6:24 pm Runs forward and reverse with output shaft matching.
And this matches MG2? Then we can proceed to get to loading it up, which needs a vehicle.
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Thanks Tom, anything else I can try in the interim?

I have a crude resistance rope setup on each drive hub that I could use to increase the load.

Any point in trying MG1 & MG2 together for a spin?

I am currently fabricating the drivetrain mounts to fit on the Ghia pan.
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Ghia66 wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:09 pm Any point in trying MG1 & MG2 together for a spin?
No the limit Greg's rabit hit was 20kW, this is not something to simply absorb in a "DIY" setup.
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Thank you
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Well I couldn’t resist spinning the drive with MG 1 and MG 2 now the power shift is welded.
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The mounts are sorted on my test chassis so now to the next challenge…the driveshafts!
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Ghia66 wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:09 pm Thanks Tom, anything else I can try in the interim?

I have a crude resistance rope setup on each drive hub that I could use to increase the load.

Any point in trying MG1 & MG2 together for a spin?
You may break things, so dont...
On the other hand you may try to rotate assembly by MG2 and then put the MG1 in regen :). This should be interesting...
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